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Re: Who Knew ?

From Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.politics
Subject Re: Who Knew ?
Date 2021-11-07 07:59 -0800
Organization dis-organization
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On 11/7/21 05:55, Rich wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 06/11/2021 19:07, Rich wrote:
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2021-11-02, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 02/11/2021 05:04, 1p166 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> People are SMART everywhere. It's the ability to make good USE
>>>>>> of that that tends to be the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I disagree, people are stupid everywhere, because inserting a penis
>>>>> in a vagina doesn't take any great intelligence. Nor does groaning
>>>>> and pushing the baby out or slapping it against a nipple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even rats can do all that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Society needs one or two 'bright' individuals on occasion when
>>>>> circumstances need a different approach.
>>>>> But in general smart people are disliked and reviled and ignored
>>>>> by the masses.
>>>>
>>>>      Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man.
>>>>      Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded - here and there,
>>>>      now and then - are the work of an extremely small minority,
>>>>      frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed
>>>>      by all right-thinking people.  Whenever this tiny minority is
>>>>      kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out
>>>>      of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
>>>>      This is known as ?bad luck.?
>>>>        -- Robert A. Heinlein: The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
>>>
>>> A great many years ago now, an Econ professor for a college Econ class
>>> related it like so (paraphrashing from memory):
>>>
>>>       Poverty is the default, anything greater than poverty requires the
>>>       input of work.
>>>
>> There is a strange fact, argued over by archaeologists and
>> anthropologists, that hunter gatherers seem to have kept population
>> numbers well below mass starvation levels. Only once people started
>> eating cultivated starches did population levels, and famines, seem to
>> arise.
>>
>> Did they strangle surplus babies?
> 
> Not having been alive during the "hunter gatherer" era of human
> history, I do not have any idea how they accomplished this.  Most
> likely it was a combination of multiple interconnected factors.
> 
> And, a key word in your phrase is "seem".  Implying that the
> archaeologists and anthropologists may not even be so sure this was
> indeed the case or not.
> 
	Primitive cultures used abortion and exposure as did the ancient Greeks 
to dispose of unwanted or deformed infants. The women had found an herb 
to prevent conception but though over use it was driven into extinction. 
  Girls were often exposed just to hold down the population.
Sometime the exposed were eaten by wild animals and sometimes they
were rescued by slavers and other pimps. The American Indigenous
of the California area used abortion.

	Of course after an epidemic ripped through a population
a lot of children were no longer excess and escaped exposure.
Lots of infantile and childhood deaths before the modern era i.e.
before we came up with antibiotics and vaccines.  Such times
may return as the effect of drugs is diluted by over exposure
of the microbes to those antibiotics.

	And then of course the idiocy of the Anti-Vaccination
mob.  George Washington mandated smallpox vaccination by the
way at Valley Forge lest all his soldiers die.  We embraced
mandatory smallpox vaccination and eventually smallpox
was wiped out except in laboratories were it only exists
in isolated cultures for study.

bliss-“Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.”
	 After all here I am...

-- 
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-21 00:06 -0400
  Re: Who Knew ? Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-10-21 08:27 +0100
    Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-21 08:04 -0700
      Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-28 02:08 -0400
        Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-28 09:41 +0100
          Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-29 16:39 +0000
            Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-30 07:39 +0100
      Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-29 01:14 -0400
        Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-29 16:52 +0000
          Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-29 13:08 -0700
            Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-29 22:43 +0000
              Re: Who Knew ? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-30 04:32 -0400
            Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-30 08:21 +0100
              Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-01 18:50 +0000
            Re: Who Knew ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-10-30 13:45 +0000
              Re: Who Knew ? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-30 14:54 -0400
                Re: Who Knew ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-10-30 21:47 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-30 23:14 +0100
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                Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-31 13:35 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-31 15:47 -0400
                Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-01 04:44 +0000
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                Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-02 00:13 -0400
                Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-01 22:05 -0700
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                Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-04 11:05 +0000
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          Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-30 08:00 +0100
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            Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-05 17:40 +0000
    Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-28 01:11 -0400
      Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-28 09:39 +0100
      Re: Who Knew ? Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-10-28 14:25 +0100
        Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-28 14:49 +0100
        Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-29 01:07 -0400
          Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-29 08:13 -0700
            Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-31 00:28 -0400
              Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-31 13:24 +0000
      Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-28 08:15 -0700
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            Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-29 16:52 +0000
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                Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-30 07:59 +0100
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                Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-01 18:50 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-02 01:04 -0400
                Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-02 08:34 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-02 19:09 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-02 23:58 -0400
                Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-02 21:39 -0700
                Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-03 08:36 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-03 11:23 -0400
                Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-03 08:31 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-03 17:18 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-11-06 19:07 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-07 12:15 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-11-07 13:55 +0000
                Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-07 07:59 -0800
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                Re: Smallpox vaccine date(s) (Was: Who Knew ?) Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-11-11 20:21 +0000
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                Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-02 08:31 +0000
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                Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-31 07:55 -0700
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