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Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP

From William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.networking
Subject Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP
Date 2021-11-07 03:03 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 2021-11-06, Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Nov 2021 21:33:27 +0000, Bob Tennent wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 6 Nov 2021 16:28:16 -0000 (UTC), Lew Pitcher wrote:
>>  > On Sat, 06 Nov 2021 15:28:52 +0000, Bob Tennent wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> Outgoing ssh works fine and sshd is active. It's not my
>>  >> firewall and I use ddclient and zoneedit.com to deal with my
>>  >> dynamic IP address.
>>  >> 
>>  >> When I complain to Support at my ISP I'm told to pay for a
>>  >> static IP address. Is there any other solution?
>>  >
>>  > ISPs sell "internet connectivity" to clients, and most consumer-
>>  > grade ISPs block datagrams coming from the internet to certain
>>  > well-known ports, often either because they "represent a security
>>  > exposure" to the client, or because the ISP would like to gain
>>  > an additional income from "power users" by up-selling them on
>>  > internet connectivity that they do not deliberately block.
>>  >
>>  > It sounds like your ISP falls into that second category.
>>  >
>>  > Outside of capitulating to the ISP's up-selling requirement,
>>  > or changing your ISP to one that does not block incoming SSH,
>>  > the only reliable way I can think of to bypass your ISP's
>>  > block is to change the port on which you listen for SSH connections.
>> 
>> That doesn't work. The ISP doesn't allow access of any sort
>> to the system.
>
> Nonsense. If your ISP blocks /all/ inbound ports, then your system is
> effectively /not/ connected to the internet: both TCP and UDP require
> that /some/ port be open on each side of the conversation.
>
> However, if your ISP really "doesn't allow access of any sort to the
> system", then what are you paying them for?
>

It is a NATted system. He has a local address of something like
10.5.23.199 The ISPs router than takes an outgoing packet addressed 
say as orginating from 10.5.23.199  port 22 and translates that from
address as originating from the router's address (say 137.29.13.114) and
some random high port, say 22945. It keeps a tanslation table which says
if a packet comes to that port then send it out to the internal address
10.5.23.199 port 22.

That translation table keeps changing and thus there is no way that
anyone outside would know which port to send anything to. HOwever
external machines now how to replay to packets because the proper reply
address and port is part of the packet. Thus nothing independent can get
in, but the inside machines can connect to the outside. 


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incoming ssh blocked by ISP Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2021-11-06 15:28 +0000
  Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2021-11-06 16:28 +0000
    Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2021-11-06 21:33 +0000
      Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2021-11-06 21:54 +0000
        Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-11-06 23:13 +0100
          Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-11-06 19:16 -0400
            Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-11-07 00:28 +0100
        Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2021-11-07 03:03 +0000
        Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Marco Moock <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-07 12:44 +0100
      Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-11-06 17:57 -0400
        Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-11-06 18:01 -0400
          Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2021-11-07 01:56 +0000
            Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2021-11-07 21:21 +0000
              Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-11-07 19:05 -0500
                Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-11-07 22:51 -0600
              Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2021-11-08 01:18 +0000
                Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-11-07 21:25 -0500
                Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-07 23:35 -0600
      Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2021-11-07 02:51 +0000
    Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-11-06 22:47 +0100
      Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2021-11-10 13:13 +0000
  Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-11-06 13:43 -0400
  Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2021-11-06 19:18 +0100
  Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Marco Moock <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-06 19:35 +0100
    Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2021-11-06 19:54 +0000
      Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2021-11-06 21:18 +0000
        Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-11-06 22:47 +0100
          Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-11-06 23:56 +0100
        Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2021-11-06 23:44 +0100
          Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-11-06 23:54 +0100
            Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2021-11-07 10:07 +0100
        Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Marco Moock <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-07 10:22 +0100
          Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2021-11-07 10:51 +0100
            Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Marco Moock <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-07 11:09 +0100
  Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2021-11-08 14:52 +0000
    Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2021-11-14 16:42 +0000
      Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2021-11-14 18:01 +0100
      Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-11-14 13:08 -0500
        Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2021-11-14 19:20 +0000
          Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-11-14 15:06 -0500
            Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP Bob Tennent <rdtennent@tennent.ca> - 2021-11-14 21:03 +0000
              Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-11-14 16:28 -0500
                Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-11-15 04:19 -0600
                Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2021-11-15 20:18 +0000
      Re: incoming ssh blocked by ISP ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-11-15 04:18 -0600

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