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Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak

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On 2025-03-23, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2025-03-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-23 3:06 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-22 3:48 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-03-21 11:01 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-21 1:20 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-20 10:57 p.m., pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I
>>>>>>>>>>>> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> flatpak.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been running MXLinux for a long time, years in fact, but I tried out
>>>>>>>>>>> the latest version of LinuxMint Cinnamon  and on the same hardware it is
>>>>>>>>>>> much, much faster than MXLinux.
>>>>>>>>>>> Especially with regards to loading browsers and surfing.
>>>>>>>>>>> It was painfully slow under MXLinux. Browser didn't matter.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's not even close.
>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't a fan of LinuxMint in the past but I sure am now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's come a long way baby!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm a fan now. It made the pathetic the old hardware feel relatively
>>>>>>>>>> new. Its 5250U processor wasn't even good at the time, but it at least
>>>>>>>>>> feels adequate eight years later.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The 5250U is faster than the 5300U that's in my Dell Latitude E7450 laptop.
>>>>>>>>> But they're pretty closely related. I'm happy with the performance of the
>>>>>>>>> E7450 (I do have 16 GBs of RAM, so that might help.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Mac's got 8GB with no possibility of upgrading it. I can replace the
>>>>>>>> 128GB it came with, I even have the adapter for it, but Mint doesn't
>>>>>>>> even fill up the 128GB. At 25% wear, I think I can run it for a number
>>>>>>>> of years before needing to switch the storage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The MacBook Air that I haven't yet sold (2015 version) is also stuck at 8
>>>>>>> GBs. I can't remember what CPU it uses (it looks like a 5250U like yours) by
>>>>>>> the specs I find online. It's also at 128 GBs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell yourself that if you were a Mac user, you would have no choice but
>>>>>> to bury that thing next to the family dog because it is officially
>>>>>> useless. Of course, with something like Linux Mint, it is still good in
>>>>>> 2025.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, I know that some Mac users that are still rocking
>>>>>> their 2012 machines.
>>>>>
>>>>> The MacBook Air definitely slowed down when I upgraded from Catalina to
>>>>> Monterey. (If I had realized how quickly Monterey was going to be EOL'd I
>>>>> wouldn't have bothered.) So I tried a Live USB version of Linux Mint
>>>>> Cinnamon 22.1 last night (after figuring out I needed to use the Option key
>>>>> at boot instead of Command+R). Worked well. If the keyboard wasn't so funky
>>>>> I would probably just install Linux Mint and keep it. Maybe I will anyhow, I
>>>>> don't know. I do admit that the build on the Apple MacBooks is pretty nice.
>>>>> (Although I really got it just to test a few Apple-only applications.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Even though the WiFi card is Broadcom, Linux Mint has no trouble installing
>>>>> a good driver for it — speed was impressive. At least on par with my
>>>>> Latitude E7450 (which is pretty good for the MacBook Air since it has half
>>>>> the RAM — I don't leave a lot open at once anyhow).
>>>>
>>>> Installing Linux Mint on the MacBook Air was trouble free whereas doing
>>>> the same with Ubuntu required me to download the proprietary drivers
>>>> through a Bluetooth connection to my phone. For that reason alone, Mint
>>>> gets my vote. The fact that it is so much faster only adds to that.
>>>>
>>>> I have to admit I'm not a fan of its keyboard either. It got good
>>>> reviews, but I find it fairly mushy.
>>> 
>>> I was thinking more in terms of the Macs key layout (I use the Control key a
>>> lot). The quality of the 2015 MacBook's keyboard is pretty good. But I have
>>> read in the past that the 2017 MacBook Air was a bit thinner than the 2015
>>> (and earlier models) and did have issues with a mushy keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Here's one of many comments on the 2017 keyboard (this one found on
>>> Reddit) about it...
>>> 
>>>     2017 here. Owned mine about a year. Keys stick randomly. Thankfully
>>>     they’ve always come back eventually. Still frustrating as heck. Easily
>>>     the worst keyboard Apple has ever released, both in terms of reliability
>>>     and satisfaction. It’s a total POS to type on. Go find a 2015 and wait
>>>     until Apple realises thinner isn’t always better if it means sacrificing
>>>     quality and functionality.
>>> 
>>> Some of the posters in this particular thread thought it might have
>>> something to do with too much heat.
>>> 
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8ippga/how_bad_are_the_keyboard_issues_on_the_2017_model/
>>> 
>>> (Now that I look a little closer I see that these comments were specifically
>>> about the MacBook Pros, not the Airs so, hopefully, they were worse than
>>> your Air.) I do think however, that they 2017 keyboards were not well
>>> received. I think they went to a different keyboard a couple years later.
>>
>> All I can say for sure is that I wouldn't feel comfortable typing on the 
>> 2017 keyboard all day. I gave away a Toshiba laptop from around 2007 
>> which had a stellar keyboard: it had thick keys that traveled as much as 
>> a typical Logitech keyboard would. That type, unfortunately, has been 
>> retired in favour of thin and unreliable. After a decade, the Toshiba 
>> laptop's keyboard was still operational. Mac keyboards, as well as the 
>> one on the laptop I'm using at the moment, can't seemingly go longer 
>> than two or three years.

Invisable type isn't very effective ;)

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Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-18 12:33 -0400
  Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-18 16:58 +0000
    Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-18 13:01 -0400
      Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 05:02 +0000
    Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 05:00 +0000
      Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-19 09:31 -0400
        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 01:21 +0000
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:39 +0000
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 08:07 -0400
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-21 02:57 +0000
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 05:50 -0400
              Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 17:20 +0000
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 14:41 -0400
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 03:01 +0000
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-22 08:27 -0400
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:48 +0000
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-22 21:07 -0400
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 07:06 +0000
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-23 07:17 -0400
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 19:15 +0000
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                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 20:47 +0000
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 17:15 +0000
              Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 14:40 -0400
        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:37 +0000
  Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 04:58 +0000
    Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-19 09:21 -0400
      Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 01:12 +0000
        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:35 +0000
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 18:28 +0000
        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 08:03 -0400
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 18:18 +0000
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 19:52 -0400
              Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-21 00:06 +0000
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        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 08:11 -0400
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