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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak |
| Date | 2025-03-21 02:30 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <slrnvtpjr0.1102.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> (permalink) |
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On 2025-03-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2025-03-20 01:34, RonB wrote: >> On 2025-03-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> On 2025-03-19 00:58, RonB wrote: >>>> On 2025-03-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>>> Having discovered that Ubuntu intends to replace the GNU utilities with >>>>> Rust equivalents which may or may not work as well in the coming months, >>>>> I switched over to Linux Mint 22.1 from Ubuntu 24.04 on this old Macbook >>>>> Air 2017. Not only does it bundle the necessary, proprietary wireless >>>>> drivers allowing for a smooth install unlike Ubuntu, but Linux Mint runs >>>>> a _lot_ faster under Cinnamon than Ubuntu's implementation of GNOME. I >>>>> imagine that most of it is due to the use of Snap. For example, >>>>> LibreOffice went from taking about ten seconds to load (on a cold start) >>>>> to one or two. >>>>> >>>>> I can only hope that Linux Mint does not follow Ubuntu in removing the >>>>> GNU utilities in favour of the rewritten Rust ones. They have already >>>>> shown themselves to be less than 100% compatible, so you can imagine >>>>> what kind of chaos will result from the change. >>>> >>>> I'm finding out that the Firefox Snap can't read files in the non-local user >>>> directory and Flatpaks can't work with applications outside of their >>>> directory. I also can't (or don't know how) to customize the Snap version of >>>> Firefox. I think AppImage is the best of the three. >>> >>> While AppImage does a stellar job, the reality is that it doesn't have >>> the security features of Flatpak or Snap. If I had to choose between the >>> three, Flatpak looks like it is far and beyond the best compromise. >> >> Okay, I don't know enough about it to contradict you. It's probably Snap and >> Flatpaks security features that get in the way of applications working >> properly. So another reason not to like Snap. I'll reserve judgment on >> Flatpak because I found a workaround for Trelby's PDF issue and, I'm >> guessing, the person who made the Trelby Flatpak probably left something >> out. >> >> At any rate I "found" (someone told me at the GitHub site) that you can give >> Trelby access to the /tmp directory and it will allow you to use the default >> PDF application. So it's a workaround, but it works. >> >> Just type (or copy and paste) into the terminal... >> >> flatpak override --user --filesystem=/tmp org.trelby.Trelby >> >> I still don't know how to customize a Snap version of Firefox, however. And >> I still don't like that Snaps appear as "partitions" when you run a df >> command. I've removed all Snaps from my computers. >> >>>> There might be another reason Linux Mint is faster. LM defaults to X11 >>>> instead of Wayland. On my (older) machines Wayland leaves artifacts (is >>>> blotchy in the dark parts of videos, which I guess are artifacts). X11 >>>> doesn't do this. >>>> >>>> Change isn't always for the better. >>> >>> Ubuntu 24.04 still uses X11. It seems to default to Wayland after that >>> release. The slow performance really does seem to be the result of Snap >>> since even the interface itself shouldn't be slower as it is also based >>> on GTK3 like Cinnamon. >> >> I'm pretty sure Ubuntu 24.04 defaults to Wayland. But I may be wrong about >> that. I think I had to disable Wayland the last time I tried a desktop >> version of Ubuntu. > > Notice the headline for this article: ><https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/05/ubuntu-24-10-wayland-nvidia> > > It is trivial to check which window manager you use in Ubuntu. Every > time I checked, it said X11. Was this on the Mac? Maybe it determined the GPU wasn't new enough for Wayland? -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien
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Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-18 12:33 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-18 16:58 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-18 13:01 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 05:02 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 05:00 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-19 09:31 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 01:21 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:39 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 08:07 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-21 02:57 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 05:50 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 17:20 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 14:41 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 03:01 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-22 08:27 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:48 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-22 21:07 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 07:06 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-23 07:17 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 19:15 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:17 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 20:47 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 17:15 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 14:40 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:37 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 04:58 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-19 09:21 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 01:12 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:35 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 18:28 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 08:03 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 18:18 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 19:52 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-21 00:06 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 20:24 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:34 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 08:11 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 18:31 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 19:53 -0400
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 02:30 +0000
Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 05:49 -0400
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