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Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak

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On 2025-03-20 01:34, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-03-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-19 00:58, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Having discovered that Ubuntu intends to replace the GNU utilities with
>>>> Rust equivalents which may or may not work as well in the coming months,
>>>> I switched over to Linux Mint 22.1 from Ubuntu 24.04 on this old Macbook
>>>> Air 2017. Not only does it bundle the necessary, proprietary wireless
>>>> drivers allowing for a smooth install unlike Ubuntu, but Linux Mint runs
>>>> a _lot_ faster under Cinnamon than Ubuntu's implementation of GNOME. I
>>>> imagine that most of it is due to the use of Snap. For example,
>>>> LibreOffice went from taking about ten seconds to load (on a cold start)
>>>> to one or two.
>>>>
>>>> I can only hope that Linux Mint does not follow Ubuntu in removing the
>>>> GNU utilities in favour of the rewritten Rust ones. They have already
>>>> shown themselves to be less than 100% compatible, so you can imagine
>>>> what kind of chaos will result from the change.
>>>
>>> I'm finding out that the Firefox Snap can't read files in the non-local user
>>> directory and Flatpaks can't work with applications outside of their
>>> directory. I also can't (or don't know how) to customize the Snap version of
>>> Firefox. I think AppImage is the best of the three.
>>
>> While AppImage does a stellar job, the reality is that it doesn't have
>> the security features of Flatpak or Snap. If I had to choose between the
>> three, Flatpak looks like it is far and beyond the best compromise.
> 
> Okay, I don't know enough about it to contradict you. It's probably Snap and
> Flatpaks security features that get in the way of applications working
> properly. So another reason not to like Snap. I'll reserve judgment on
> Flatpak because I found a workaround for Trelby's PDF issue and, I'm
> guessing, the person who made the Trelby Flatpak probably left something
> out.
> 
> At any rate I "found" (someone told me at the GitHub site) that you can give
> Trelby access to the /tmp directory and it will allow you to use the default
> PDF application. So it's a workaround, but it works.
> 
> Just type (or copy and paste) into the terminal...
> 
> flatpak override --user --filesystem=/tmp org.trelby.Trelby
> 
> I still don't know how to customize a Snap version of Firefox, however. And
> I still don't like that Snaps appear as "partitions" when you run a df
> command. I've removed all Snaps from my computers.
> 
>>> There might be another reason Linux Mint is faster. LM defaults to X11
>>> instead of Wayland. On my (older) machines Wayland leaves artifacts (is
>>> blotchy in the dark parts of videos, which I guess are artifacts). X11
>>> doesn't do this.
>>>
>>> Change isn't always for the better.
>>
>> Ubuntu 24.04 still uses X11. It seems to default to Wayland after that
>> release. The slow performance really does seem to be the result of Snap
>> since even the interface itself shouldn't be slower as it is also based
>> on GTK3 like Cinnamon.
> 
> I'm pretty sure Ubuntu 24.04 defaults to Wayland. But I may be wrong about
> that. I think I had to disable Wayland the last time I tried a desktop
> version of Ubuntu.

Notice the headline for this article: 
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/05/ubuntu-24-10-wayland-nvidia>

It is trivial to check which window manager you use in Ubuntu. Every 
time I checked, it said X11.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-18 12:33 -0400
  Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-18 16:58 +0000
    Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-18 13:01 -0400
      Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 05:02 +0000
    Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 05:00 +0000
      Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-19 09:31 -0400
        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 01:21 +0000
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:39 +0000
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 08:07 -0400
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-21 02:57 +0000
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 05:50 -0400
              Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 17:20 +0000
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 14:41 -0400
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 03:01 +0000
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-22 08:27 -0400
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:48 +0000
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-22 21:07 -0400
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 07:06 +0000
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-23 07:17 -0400
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 19:15 +0000
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                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 20:47 +0000
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 17:15 +0000
              Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 14:40 -0400
        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:37 +0000
  Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 04:58 +0000
    Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-19 09:21 -0400
      Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 01:12 +0000
        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:35 +0000
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 18:28 +0000
        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 08:03 -0400
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 18:18 +0000
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 19:52 -0400
              Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-21 00:06 +0000
                Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 20:24 -0400
      Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 05:34 +0000
        Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 08:11 -0400
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 18:31 +0000
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 19:53 -0400
          Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 02:30 +0000
            Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs. Flatpak CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 05:49 -0400

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