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Re: APFS on HDD

From Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: APFS on HDD
Date 2018-11-11 07:18 +0000
Organization Miskatonic U
Message-ID <slrnpuflt9.1ia3.g.kreme@Snow.local> (permalink)
References (3 earlier) <ps5d1g$a2v$1@gioia.aioe.org> <0001HW.2196A3D800D19A6370000D2122EF@news.giganews.com> <1ny2c51.bdcrtc1ehzkc6N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> <ps6ouk$e8u$1@dont-email.me> <1ny3yhd.fqz5ptvt2g9bN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>

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In message <1ny3yhd.fqz5ptvt2g9bN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:

>> On 11/10/18 12:52 AM, David Empson wrote:
>> > Elden <usenet@moondog.org> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> On Nov 9, 2018, Your Name wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> During some of the beta testing of High Sierra, APFS was available for
>> >>> hard drives and Fusion drives, but that support was dropped from the
>> >>> official release due to some issues, so only SSDs were converted.
>> >>>
>> >>> Apple has managed to fix those issues, and as of Mojave, Apple has made
>> >>> APFS the standard disk format for all drive types, including hard
>> >>> drives and Fusion drives.
>> >>
>> >> I haven't heard. Can you use an APFS drive for a time machine backup
>> >> target? I believe originally one could not.
>> > 
>> > No, Time Machine drives are still HFS+.
>> > 
>> > They might be ready to start using APFS on Time Machine backup drives in
>> > macOS 10.15, but probably only for a new or erased backup drive as it
>> > would be too difficult to convert the tangled web of hard links on an
>> > existing backup drive into a snapshot/clone-based model for APFS.
>> > 
>> I'm thinking of getting a 2018 mini and keeping my 2012 mini as a 
>> backup. I want to use CCC to keep to keep the files on the backup up to
>> date. Should I reformat the 2012 as APFS? (The 2012 has a spinning disk,
>> but I may install an SSD.)

> I'll be getting my own 2018 Mac Mini in a few days (already shipped from
> China), and I have 2012 and 2014 Mac Minis, so I can test some of these
> details for you.

I have a 2018 mini in my shopping bag right now, haven't quite pulled
the trigger on it though.

> At a minimum I would recommend upgrading your 2012 Mac Mini to Mojave
> before attempting to boot from a cloned system, because installing
> Mojave will install a firmware update which may be required to boot
> Mojave on that model.

> Installing Mojave would also convert your startup drive to APFS in the
> process, whether or not you replace the hard drive with an SSD. There is
> no need to erase your existing hard drive as a separate step.

Installing an SSD in a mini is fiddly, and many people have broken
minor things like the internal speaker connection or IR sensor when
doing it, but it is worth it. The difference in speed of a system with an
SSD over a hard drive is massive in every way.

(I upgraded mine to dual SSDs and I don't think I broke anything, though
honestly I'd have no idea if the IR sensor worked or not)


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A: A military engineer designs weapons, and a civil engineer designs targets.

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Re: APFS on HDD rs99tl@gmail.com - 2018-11-09 17:32 -0800
  Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 14:42 +1300
    Re: APFS on HDD RSORLANDO <rs99tl@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 18:15 -0800
    Re: APFS on HDD Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-11-09 21:27 -0800
      Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-10 18:52 +1300
        Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-10 09:11 -0500
          Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 10:08 +1300
            Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-10 17:41 -0500
              Re: APFS on HDD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 19:18 -0500
              Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 18:03 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-11 13:21 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-12 03:09 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-12 02:10 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-12 12:32 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-13 08:14 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-12 20:29 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-13 18:15 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-13 09:20 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-12 02:30 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-12 12:45 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-12 18:31 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-13 00:04 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-13 13:46 +1300
          Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-11 15:55 +1300
            Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-10 23:38 -0500
            Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-11 07:18 +0000
              Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-11 12:39 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-12 09:10 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-11 19:26 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-12 16:20 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-12 01:46 -0500
            Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-14 02:05 +1300
        Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-11 07:13 +0000
          Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-12 02:10 -0500
        Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-12 02:02 -0500
          Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-12 21:57 +1300
            Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-12 18:26 -0500
              Re: APFS on HDD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-13 01:12 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-12 23:44 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-13 18:17 +0000
              Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-13 19:38 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-13 10:21 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-13 05:55 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-14 01:28 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-13 13:40 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-13 18:18 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-13 05:57 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-14 01:28 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-13 13:27 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-14 13:31 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-14 15:33 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-15 12:04 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-15 00:35 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-15 22:24 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-15 12:39 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2018-11-16 13:45 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-16 20:13 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-18 18:37 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-18 17:40 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-19 13:42 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-19 02:08 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-19 15:52 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-18 22:31 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-20 13:23 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-19 23:32 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-20 22:05 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-11-20 09:36 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2018-11-20 06:12 -0700
                Re: APFS on HDD "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-11-20 14:28 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-20 09:36 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-20 08:57 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-11-20 14:34 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-20 09:36 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-19 05:46 +0000
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-19 02:27 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2018-11-19 11:42 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-20 13:23 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-19 21:57 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-20 16:28 +1300
                Re: APFS on HDD JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-21 13:24 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2018-11-19 11:34 -0500
                Re: APFS on HDD Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-13 13:41 +0000
  Re: APFS on HDD Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2018-11-11 13:04 -0500

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