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Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here

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From JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet>
Subject Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here
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Date 2016-05-14 16:45 -0500

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On 2016-05-13, Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
> On 2016-05-13, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 5/12/16, 8:26 PM, in article nh3hah$79g$2@dont-email.me, "DFS"
>><nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/12/2016 10:12 PM, Marek Novotny wrote:
>>>> On 2016-05-12, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-05-12, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I really really want to by Apple computer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why, unless you want to run OSX?  There's so much more variety in
>>>>>> generic hardware...
>>>>> 
>>>>>    They should fully embrace virtualization and stop fighting it. Let
>>>>> interested geeks run their operating system if they want.
>>>> 
>>>> Apple is likely too scared to do that. They fear opening OSX up to other
>>>> hardware makers. Guess they don't believe in their own hardware.
>>> 
>>> Good God.
>>
>> Such comments, to me, indicate a desire to have OS X but a lack of
>> willingness to pay.

    You must have missed that part about my recently retired 6 year old 
machine being more powerful than just about anything Apple sells.

    It's not the money.

    Of course you don't want to hear that because it contradicts your tired
old narrative.

>>
>> Which is fine... I want many things I am not willing, or sometimes even
>> able, to pay for. I just do without and use tools that serve me well enough.
>
> I already own Macs. And if I didn't want to pay I could easily build a
> Hackintosh. So I think your logic is flawed. I'm merely pointing out
> that Apple is scared to sell OSX to other vendors such as Dell for a

   I don't even care about other vendors. Virtualization seems to be the new
shiny shiny. As usual, Apple isn't interested in persuing anything but the 
rube crowd. They don't want to have anything to do with power users or more
serious computing.

   They are content to antagonize the people that spend the big bucks.

[deletia]

> Face reality, Snit. The Mac hardware lineup sucks. All you got is
> beautiful hardware design and so-so specs. Often out of date. They have
> sharp displays I'll grant you. But bang for the buck they don't have. I
> can build a powerhouse of a PC for $1,200.

   ...or you could go crazy and just trick it out in ways that are not
even an option with an Apple product. The problem with Macs is there isn't
one I would "buy just for the hardware". They even trashed their Pro line.

>
> So just stating the obvious. Apple is scared to sell OSX as a license to
> OEMs. They fear hardware competition. They want to lock you in because
> the reality is that in open architecture they'd not be able to get away
> with their crap hardware. Not that anyone's even buying the garbage can.
> Do you see them talking up their sales of that flagship product? No, not
> at all. And it's because those numbers are nothing to brag about. 
>

   Back in the day, I really wanted to PAY for a copy of Solaris or OpenStep
but boths of those had really restrictive hardware compatability lists. 

   Paying is fine. 

   Being a sucker is not.

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Every successful scientist uses the APPLE and not Windoze or Linux Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 18:40 -0700
  Must be some Appile Lie here 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-28 07:22 +0000
    Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-28 09:38 +0100
      Re: Must be some Appile Lie here 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-28 14:41 +0000
        Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-28 15:15 +0100
          Re: Must be some Appile Lie here 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-28 22:06 +0000
            Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-28 16:42 -0700
              Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-28 17:01 -0700
        Re: Must be some Appile Lie here ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 16:07 +0000
          Re: Must be some Appile Lie here William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-28 23:39 +0100
            Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-29 10:18 +0100
    Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:46 -0700
    Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-28 09:41 +0000
      Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-28 03:08 -0700
        Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-28 10:47 +0000
          Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 04:11 -0700
            Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-28 13:46 +0200
              Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 05:07 -0700
                Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 01:02 -0700
                Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-29 11:04 +0200
                Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 07:59 -0700
                Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-29 18:37 +0200
                Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-29 10:37 -0700
                Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 19:05 -0700
                Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-30 09:43 +0200
                Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-29 10:43 -0700
        [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2016-05-11 19:36 +0100
          Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-11 12:08 -0700
            Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2016-05-11 21:28 +0100
              Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-11 19:47 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2016-05-12 10:45 +0100
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-12 07:14 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2016-05-12 17:09 +0100
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-12 10:23 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2016-05-12 18:51 +0100
                TCP to SMB Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-12 12:38 -0700
                Re: TCP to SMB Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-12 13:53 -0700
                Re: TCP to SMB Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-05-14 19:03 +0000
                Re: TCP to SMB Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-05-14 12:15 -0700
                Re: TCP to SMB Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-14 12:51 -0700
                Re: TCP to SMB Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-14 12:50 -0700
          Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-05-11 14:36 -0500
            Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-11 13:28 -0700
              Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 13:29 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-11 13:42 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-11 14:19 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 13:48 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 13:49 -0700
              Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-11 13:51 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-11 14:07 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-11 14:40 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-05-12 17:01 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-12 15:31 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-11 18:28 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-05-12 16:58 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-12 15:23 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-11 14:17 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-11 18:58 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-05-12 01:58 +0200
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-05-12 16:55 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-05-13 00:27 +0200
              Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-05-11 22:57 +0200
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-11 14:01 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-11 14:18 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-05-11 23:25 +0200
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-05-11 23:28 +0200
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-05-12 17:14 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-05-12 19:32 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-12 19:46 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-12 23:37 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-05-13 16:06 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-12 21:20 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-13 08:19 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 08:30 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-05-13 16:03 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-12 07:14 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-05-12 17:58 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-12 19:12 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-12 23:26 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-12 21:39 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-13 07:03 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-13 08:19 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 08:27 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-05-13 08:32 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-13 10:48 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-05-13 17:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-13 11:03 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-13 11:06 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-05-13 18:14 +0200
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-13 08:59 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-05-13 09:17 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 17:30 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-05-14 16:49 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-13 13:47 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-05-13 18:09 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-13 15:38 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 12:50 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-14 22:19 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-05-13 10:07 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-05-14 16:45 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-05-14 16:09 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-05-12 17:12 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-05-12 19:29 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-05-13 11:36 +0200
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-05-13 16:12 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-05-13 15:19 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-05-13 16:11 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-05-13 15:17 -0700
            Re: [OT] Re: Must be some Appile Lie here tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 13:28 -0700
      Re: Must be some Appile Lie here 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-28 14:44 +0000
        Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-28 15:19 +0100
        Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 07:19 -0700
      Re: Must be some Appile Lie here DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-28 10:21 -0400
    Re: Must be some Appile Lie here chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-28 06:47 -0500
      Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-28 15:21 +0100
        Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-28 07:42 -0700
        Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-28 08:05 -0700
          Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-28 16:37 +0100
            Look at what Linux does to the body! Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 20:44 -0700
      Re: Must be some Appile Lie here DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-28 10:37 -0400
        Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-28 08:12 -0700
          Re: Must be some Appile Lie here chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-28 10:26 -0500
            Re: Must be some Appile Lie here chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-28 11:24 -0500
              Re: Must be some Appile Lie here chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-28 13:28 -0500
            Re: Must be some Appile Lie here DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-28 12:52 -0400
          Re: Must be some Appile Lie here DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-28 12:29 -0400
            Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-28 10:43 -0700
    Re: Must be some Appile Lie here ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 16:02 +0000
    Re: Must be some Appile Lie here Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-28 09:10 -0700

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