Re: OT: For all the Window haters

Newsgroups	comp.sys.raspberry-pi
From	Rob <nomail@example.com>
Subject	Re: OT: For all the Window haters
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Date	2015-08-09 21:16 +0000

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druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> On 09/08/2015 12:28, Rob wrote:
>> Of course it is not surprising that people stop supporting Linux drivers
>> when it works that way...  they see writing a driver as part of the
>> development of a new piece of hardware, finished when it is released.
>> Not as a lifetime commitment to track whatever the Linux kernel folks
>> are up to this week.
>
> If you are talking about a device made by a no name Chinese firm which 
> is a copy of a copy of a copy, you have to treat it as disposable and 
> chuck it when anything changes on your machine.

The driver is actually written by the maker of the chip, not by the
firms that make the boards.  All makers of such boards ship the same
driver CD with it.

> You need pay a bit more than rock bottom and buy from someone who is 
> likely to develop new drivers for new versions of the OS, of whatever 
> flavour, and just as importantly produce security updates for the life 
> of the device.

Nice to hear your opinion, but I want to point out that those concerns
apparently do not apply to Windows users.  They get the driver, written
at the same time (in 2012) as the Linux driver, and it just works.

Why?  Because Microsoft do not change the driver interface every few
months, so the developers do not have to play catch-up.

Anyway, I think the discussion is irrelevant.

My point is:

- Linux provides more included driver support than Windows
- Linux normally works fine after install, for Windows you need to hunt for
  drivers.
- When for Windows you need a driver not included, you are likely to find it.
- When a driver is not included in Linux, you are in trouble.  A driver
  you download separately is unlikely to work and even less likely to
  remain working over the device lifetime.

That still holds after all those remarks about how driver developers are
to check the kernel mailing list every morning at breakfast and how buyers
of hardware are responsible of making sure those developers actually do
that now and in the future.

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OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-05 21:47 +0100
  Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-08-06 00:58 +0100
    Re: OT: For all the Window haters Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2015-08-06 07:48 +0100
      Re: OT: For all the Window haters David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-06 08:43 +0100
        Re: OT: For all the Window haters Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2015-08-06 10:28 +0100
        Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-06 09:57 +0000
        Re: OT: For all the Window haters Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> - 2015-08-06 10:58 +0100
          Re: OT: For all the Window haters Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2015-08-06 14:55 +0100
            Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-06 19:27 +0100
              Re: OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-06 19:46 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2015-08-06 20:59 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Graham. <me@privicy.net> - 2015-08-07 00:22 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-07 17:12 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-08-07 16:22 +0000
    Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-06 09:55 +0000
  Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-06 10:38 +0100
  Re: OT: For all the Window haters druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-08-07 08:18 +0100
  Re: OT: For all the Window haters Jim Diamond <Jim.Diamond@deletethis.AcadiaU.ca> - 2015-08-07 18:53 -0300
    Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-08 08:13 +0000
      Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-08 10:01 +0100
      Re: OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-08 14:14 +0100
        Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-08 13:31 +0000
          Re: OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-09 00:14 +0100
            Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-09 07:22 +0000
              Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-09 10:11 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-09 11:28 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-08-09 13:30 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-09 16:00 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-09 18:04 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-09 20:11 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-09 14:06 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-08-09 21:32 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-09 21:16 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2015-08-10 11:05 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:51 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-10 17:13 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2015-08-11 11:40 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tony van der Hoff <tony@vanderhoff.org> - 2015-08-11 13:07 +0200
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-11 12:59 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2015-08-15 09:44 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-15 10:07 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-08-15 16:13 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-15 19:54 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-15 23:59 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-16 00:13 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 11:02 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-16 12:58 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 10:51 -0400
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-16 19:05 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-08-16 23:03 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-16 22:55 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-08-17 21:46 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 14:26 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2015-08-16 17:02 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2015-08-16 17:02 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-16 19:18 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2015-08-18 19:39 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-09 15:56 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tonton Th <tTh@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-08-09 14:59 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-09 16:55 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 16:38 -0400
              Re: OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-09 19:55 +0100

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