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Re: IPad and

From Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.ipad
Subject Re: IPad and
Date 2014-01-30 13:32 +0000
Organization Miskatonic U
Message-ID <slrnlekl3r.28m0.g.kreme@amelia.local> (permalink)
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In message <bkssm7F5316U1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-01-29, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <bkq6odFhtb6U2@mid.individual.net> 
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-01-28, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>> In message <aa1tzsud57.fsf@ethel.the.log> 
>>>>   Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Electing not to sync your computer's iTunes library with your iPad is
>>>>> a perfectly reasonable use case (even if it isn't yours) and it
>>>>> requires very little effort.
>>>>
>>>> Which has nothing to do with it. I do not sync my library to iOS because
>>>> there is no device that can fit my library. I sync certain playlists to
>>>> my iPhone, and different ones to my iPad.
>>
>>> Those play lists come from your library, do they not? Therefore you have
>>> chosen to sync at least part of your library from your computer to your
>>> device. That's a choice one may or may not make. In Doug's case, he has
>>> chosen not to do it. Why is this so hard for you to accept?
>>
>> Because he has spent a lot of time complaining that iTunes will not
>> restore his music after a backup. 

> Actually, he hasn't complained about it. He has mentioned it, and you
> guys have denied it, and he has re-asserted it. This has happened over,
> and over, an over again, And it does not constitute complaining.

>> iTunes *DOES* restore you music after
>> a backup unless you make a decision in advance to prevent it from doing
>> so.

> Nope. The restore is not what syncs music to the device. And what does
> not exist on the computer cannot be synced to the device. No matter how
> hard you try to argue, this remains true.

But it is not true. Things not on the computer are restored as well,
purchased books, purchased apps, purchased music. All of these get
restored to the device.

>>>> So, for example, I installed 7.1beta which requires a backup, install,
>>>> restore. 
>>
>>> ...followed by a sync.
>>
>> It was completely transparent though, and the sync happened over WiFi
>> along with the apps getting synced.

> The point is restore is not sync, and if the music wasn't already on the
> computer, nothing would be synced anyway. You seem to be unable or
> unwilling to see this.

No, I said that if you deleted your music from iTunes it would not get
put back on the device. That is the only way, however.

>>>> At the end of this process I had EXACTLY the songs on my iOS
>>>> device that I had before. No more, no less.
>>
>>> Not if you hadn't done the sync to begin with.
>>
>> I didn't "do a snc" syncing music to an iOS device is the default
>> behavior. i

> Nevertheless, syncing is in fact optional, and if you refuse to admit
> that, that's a personal problem only you can solve.

But it is optional ON. You have to disable it to get the behavior you
and Doug are describing. In fact, you have to go through rather a lot of
hoops to get the behavior you are describing.

The fact is, it someone backups their iOS device and then restores it,
they will have the music and videos and books and apps and data they had
on it before unless they take specific steps to prevent it. This is how
it will work for nearly every one of the half a billion iOS users.

The fact that it's two steps isn't relevant, especially since the sync
step is absolutely part of the restore as that is what puts your apps
back on the phone. Until you complete the sync, the restore is not
completed. It even tells you that with a dialog something like "Your
device software has been restored. Now your device will sync all your
apps and content."

>> The only thing I did was tell it "No, don't sync everything
>> because it won't fit, just sync these songs instead." I also had a
>> choice of "fill my device with random music from my library" which I
>> didn't choose.

> And others tell it "don't sync at all". That's their prerogative, too.

And if they tell it not to sync, then it won't sync. And if they don't
sync and they delete their music from iTunes then, yes, they cannot
"backup" their music from the iOS device (well, it's marginally harder).
But these are all choices someone has to make to consciously prevent the
backup/restore from working as it is designed to.

-- 
Strange things are afoot at the Circle K

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  Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 01:08 -0500
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                Re: IPad and AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2014-01-22 18:19 -0500
                Re: IPad and Carl Heinz <cfheinz57@charter.net> - 2014-01-22 15:22 -0800
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-23 02:19 +0000
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      Re: IPad and George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 11:57 -0600
      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 15:52 -0500
  Re: IPad and Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-19 19:34 +1300
  Re: IPad and Maurice Helwig <maurice_helwig@internode.on.net> - 2014-01-19 17:10 +1000
  Re: IPad and David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-01-19 07:26 +0000
    Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 15:53 -0500
  Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 09:06 +0000
  Re: IPad and Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 11:11 -0500
    Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-19 22:32 +0000
      Re: IPad and Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-19 19:56 -0500
        Re: IPad and Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:06 -0500
        Re: IPad and dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-20 13:24 +1100
        Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-20 15:27 +0000
          Re: IPad and Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 09:05 +1300
            Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 15:20 -0500
              Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-21 15:56 +0000
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-22 12:55 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 11:29 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 14:36 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 15:21 -0800
                Re: IPad and dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-24 12:55 +1300
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 16:08 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 21:50 -0500
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 21:50 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 23:52 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-24 12:13 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-24 10:28 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-24 15:59 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-24 14:11 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-24 18:47 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-24 16:39 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-24 22:11 -0500
                Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-25 13:36 +0000
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 10:22 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 14:41 -0500
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-25 04:54 +0000
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 14:41 -0500
                Re: IPad and dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-26 20:59 +1300
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:57 -0500
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-25 10:16 +0000
                Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-25 13:36 +0000
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 14:41 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 10:26 -0800
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-25 19:12 +0000
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 14:41 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 13:21 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 16:28 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 13:30 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 16:36 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 17:58 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 22:10 -0500
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 03:25 +0000
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 22:55 -0500
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 05:09 +0000
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-26 14:35 +0000
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 15:53 +0000
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:57 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-26 12:07 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 13:05 -0500
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-27 19:22 +0000
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 14:10 -0800
                Re: IPad and dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-28 17:31 +1300
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 21:27 -0800
                Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-28 13:34 +0000
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-27 13:22 +0000
                Re: IPad and erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-25 19:46 -0600
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 18:02 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 22:10 -0500
                Re: IPad and DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2014-01-27 01:17 -0800
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-26 14:32 +0000
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-26 08:10 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:57 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-26 12:13 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 13:05 -0500
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-27 13:17 +0000
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 05:48 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 13:06 -0500
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-27 18:34 +0000
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-27 19:26 +0000
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-28 00:31 +0000
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-28 00:47 +0000
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 17:08 -0800
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-28 16:59 +0000
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-28 09:08 -0800
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-28 17:12 +0000
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-28 09:14 -0800
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                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-29 16:02 +0000
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 17:39 +0000
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                Re: IPad and Carl Heinz <cfheinz57@charter.net> - 2014-01-29 14:57 -0800
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-29 15:00 -0800
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                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:32 +0000
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 15:11 +0000
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 08:57 -0800
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                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-30 13:49 -0500
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
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                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
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                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 14:12 -0800
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-28 00:32 +0000
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 17:10 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:42 -0500
                Re: IPad and erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-25 19:46 -0600
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 14:41 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 13:26 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 16:31 -0500
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 17:57 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 22:10 -0500
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 03:21 +0000
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 22:55 -0500
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 05:20 +0000
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:57 -0500
                Re: IPad and erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-25 19:44 -0600
                Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-25 18:01 -0800
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 22:10 -0500
                Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-26 13:56 +0000
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 03:18 +0000
                Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-26 13:56 +0000
                Re: IPad and Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-26 14:37 +0000
                Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 15:55 +0000
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                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 14:36 -0500
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                Re: IPad and salgud <spamboy6547@comcast.net> - 2014-01-25 04:04 +0000
                Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-24 23:15 -0500
                Re: IPad and salgud <spamboy6547@comcast.net> - 2014-01-26 02:32 +0000
        Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 18:47 +0000
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            Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:46 +0000
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            Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-22 21:10 +0000
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      Re: IPad and bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2014-01-19 19:21 -0600
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  Re: IPad and Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 18:59 +0000
    Re: IPad and Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:58 -0500
      Re: IPad and Francesco Peeters <francesco@fampeeters.com> - 2014-01-21 08:45 +0100
  Re: IPad and Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-19 14:30 -0500
    Re: IPad and Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:59 -0500
    Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 12:31 -0800
  Re: IPad and Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-19 22:32 +0000
  Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-19 18:36 -0800
  Re: IPad and Maurice Helwig <maurice_helwig@internode.on.net> - 2014-01-21 10:13 +1000
    Re: IPad and Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-20 19:31 -0500
      Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:57 -0800
        Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 20:30 -0500
        Re: IPad and Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-20 22:19 -0500
          Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 19:38 -0800
            Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:08 -0500
              Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 23:01 -0800
            Re: IPad and Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:30 +1300
          Re: IPad and DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2014-01-22 23:02 -0800
            Re: IPad and Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-24 09:34 +1300
              Re: IPad and DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2014-01-23 14:47 -0800
                Re: IPad and Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-24 13:52 +1300
    Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:31 -0800
    Re: IPad and George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-20 19:11 -0600
    Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 20:14 -0500
      Re: IPad and Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 17:16 -0800
      Re: IPad and George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-21 17:06 -0600
    Re: IPad and dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-21 14:26 +1100
      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:09 -0500
    Re: IPad and Francesco Peeters <francesco@fampeeters.com> - 2014-01-21 08:39 +0100
      Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 04:46 -0500
  Re: IPad and Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> - 2014-01-22 10:12 +0000
  Re: IPad and Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam> - 2014-01-27 12:41 -0500
    Re: IPad and nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 13:06 -0500

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