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Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound

From Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound
Date 2014-01-12 18:40 +0000
Organization Miskatonic U
Message-ID <slrnld5oc7.14c4.g.kreme@amelia.local> (permalink)
References (6 earlier) <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com> <090120141154027423%nospam@nospam.invalid> <56OdnXMhOZFSEVLPnZ2dnUVZ5g6dnZ2d@giganews.com> <lao2lv$4oh$1@news.datemas.de> <ELOdnbcSfZjLuU_PnZ2dnUVZ5rqdnZ2d@giganews.com>

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In message <ELOdnbcSfZjLuU_PnZ2dnUVZ5rqdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  W <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:lao2lv$4oh$1@news.datemas.de...
>> On 2014-01-10 06:01:50 +0000, W said:
>>
>> > "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:090120141154027423%nospam@nospam.invalid...
>> >> In article <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> >> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>> If it is a computer, someone can write a
>> >>>>> trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can
>> > escape
>> >>>>> notice for a long time.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> not for ios devices, they can't.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk,
>> > but
>> >>>>> certainly not zero risk.    How can Apple inspect every code path
>> > inside
>> >>>>> of hundreds of thousands of applicaitons?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can
>> >>>> monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by
> design.
>> >>>
>> >>> I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what
>> > one
>> >>> application can do.
>> >>>
>> >>> Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other
>> >>> applications.   They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to
>> > listen in
>> >>> to conversations in a room, etc.   The rogue application would not
> have
>> > less
>> >>> capability than any other application on the phone.
>> >>
>> >> rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken
>> >> phone, which removes all of the security).
>> >
>> > How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+
> applications?
>> >
>> > If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could -
> in
>> > some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or
> control.
>>
>> Sorry... ...but no.
>>
>> one line of code CANNOT do something malicious.

> What kind of sleight of hand is that to infer that I was saying a single
> line of code would cause a trojan?    I never said that or inferred that.

> Apple cannot check all of the source code in every application on their
> store, and whole sections of that code might be used for a bad intent.

> I am not saying it would be easy, and certainly the App Store is a less
> likely place to find a Trojan than programs in unrestricted environments
> that would run on a phone that has been rooted.    But unless Apple can test
> every possible code path in every program, there is no way there can be
> certainty about how the programs would behave in all cases.

It's a lot simpler than you seem to think, and the proof is in the
pudding as there have been no trojans.

Apps on iOS are sandboxed, they can't interact with any other apps.

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iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-05 19:16 -0800
  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-05 19:25 -0800
  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 16:27 +1300
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-05 21:19 -0800
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-05 21:53 -0800
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 18:54 +1300
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 00:28 -0800
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-07 09:09 +1300
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 03:45 -0800
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-09 11:54 -0500
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 22:01 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-01-09 22:06 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:12 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-12 19:10 +1300
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-12 18:40 +0000
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-10 15:39 -0500
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:15 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-11 23:20 -0700
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-12 01:20 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-11 22:33 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 00:14 -0700
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 22:03 +0000
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 18:19 -0700
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-13 02:03 +0000
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 21:56 -0700
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-10 09:33 +0000
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:16 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 05:20 +0000
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-12 01:23 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 01:04 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 00:25 -0800
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 05:11 -0500
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 11:57 -0800
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 15:26 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-01-06 13:06 +0000
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 16:12 +0000
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-01-06 16:29 +0000
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 12:11 +0000
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 12:02 -0800
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Charles <fort514@mac.com> - 2014-01-06 19:53 -0500
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-07 17:06 -0500
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 18:50 -0500
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-08 06:03 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 03:50 -0800
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-09 18:54 +0000
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 22:02 -0800
  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-08 03:27 +0000

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