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  iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-05 19:16 -0800
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-05 19:25 -0800
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 16:27 +1300
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-05 21:19 -0800
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-05 21:53 -0800
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 18:54 +1300
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 00:28 -0800
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-07 09:09 +1300
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 03:45 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-09 11:54 -0500
                  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 22:01 -0800
                    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-01-09 22:06 -0800
                      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:12 -0800
                        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-12 19:10 +1300
                        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-12 18:40 +0000
                    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-10 15:39 -0500
                      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:15 -0800
                        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-11 23:20 -0700
                          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-12 01:20 -0800
                            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
                        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-11 22:33 -0800
                          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 00:14 -0700
                            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 22:03 +0000
                              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 18:19 -0700
                                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-13 02:03 +0000
                                  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-12 21:56 -0700
                        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-10 09:33 +0000
                  Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-11 21:16 -0800
                    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-12 05:20 +0000
                      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-12 01:23 -0800
                      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
                    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-12 13:03 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 01:04 -0500
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 00:25 -0800
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 05:11 -0500
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 11:57 -0800
                Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 15:26 -0500
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-01-06 13:06 +0000
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 16:12 +0000
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-01-06 16:29 +0000
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 12:11 +0000
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-06 12:02 -0800
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Charles <fort514@mac.com> - 2014-01-06 19:53 -0500
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 13:29 -0500
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-07 17:06 -0500
      Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 18:50 -0500
        Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-08 06:03 -0500
          Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 03:50 -0800
            Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-09 18:54 +0000
              Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> - 2014-01-09 22:02 -0800
    Re: iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-08 03:27 +0000

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#54410 — iPad Mini Makes Picture Sound

I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that - with
the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a table, or
lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is made
when you snap a photo.     Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I should
be worried about a trojan on my iPad.

-- 
W

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#54411

In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:

> I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that - with
> the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a table, or
> lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is made
> when you snap a photo.     Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I should
> be worried about a trojan on my iPad.

You mean you don't wear a condom when you're using it?

Shame on you. Transmitting STDs.

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#54413

In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
<persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> 
> I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that - with
> the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a table, or
> lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is made
> when you snap a photo.     Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I should
> be worried about a trojan on my iPad.

Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely
to be any kind of trojan or malware.

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#54417

"Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message
news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com...
> In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that -
with
> > the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a table,
or
> > lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is
made
> > when you snap a photo.     Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I
should
> > be worried about a trojan on my iPad.
>
> Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely
> to be any kind of trojan or malware.

No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen in on an
iPad, such as:

http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig

That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search for
"spy software for ipad".

In any case, I'm just trying to understand what events on an iPad lead to
that shutter sound, because I seem to be triggering it.

-- 
W

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#54418

In article <wcGdnSK31uRkoVfPnZ2dnUVZ5gWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 "W" <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:

> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message
> news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com...
> > In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing that -
> with
> > > the screen cover already secured - when I set the iPad down on a table,
> or
> > > lift it off, I hear a system sound that is the same as the one that is
> made
> > > when you snap a photo.     Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I
> should
> > > be worried about a trojan on my iPad.
> >
> > Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely
> > to be any kind of trojan or malware.
> 
> No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen in on an
> iPad, such as:
> 
> http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig
> 
> That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search for
> "spy software for ipad".
> 
> In any case, I'm just trying to understand what events on an iPad lead to
> that shutter sound, because I seem to be triggering it.

In order for these exploits to work, you have to consciously download 
and install something that allows access to your iPad.  Unless you've 
jailbroken your iPad, only stuff in the iTunes store can be installed on 
it.  Apple would have stomped on this app pretty quickly.

While the tin-foil hat you're wearing is rather dashing, you should 
seriously think about taking it off. It clashes with reality and just 
about everything you're wearing.

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#54419

In article <wcGdnSK31uRkoVfPnZ2dnUVZ5gWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
<persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message
> news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com...
> > In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing 
> > > that - with the screen cover already secured - when I set the
> > > iPad down on a table, or lift it off, I hear a system sound 
> > > that is the same as the one that is made when you snap a photo.
> > > Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I should be worried
> > > about a trojan on my iPad.
> >
> > Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely
> > to be any kind of trojan or malware.
> 
> No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen in on an
> iPad, such as:
> 
> http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig
> 
> That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search for
> "spy software for ipad".

That is appears to be a legitmate product aimed at parents to keep
track and secure what of what their kids are doing. It's not malware
and it doesn't even work on iOS devices (yet? It will need to get
through Apple's approval process before it does).

Unless you've specifically installed something from an unknown / dodgey
source website, which is basically impossible since you haven't
jailbroken the iPad, then there is even less malware for iOS devices
than there is for Mac OS (which is basically none anyway).



> In any case, I'm just trying to understand what events on an iPad lead to
> that shutter sound, because I seem to be triggering it.

I don't know. Best to ask in the "comp.mobile.ipad" newsgroup or
Apple's support website to see if anyone has has the same sound, but it
is not any kind of malware. Most likely it's just you or the cover
pushing one of the buttons accidently.

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#54428

"Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message
news:060120141854246005%YourName@YourISP.com...
> In article <wcGdnSK31uRkoVfPnZ2dnUVZ5gWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> > "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message
> > news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com...
> > > In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing
> > > > that - with the screen cover already secured - when I set the
> > > > iPad down on a table, or lift it off, I hear a system sound
> > > > that is the same as the one that is made when you snap a photo.
> > > > Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I should be worried
> > > > about a trojan on my iPad.
> > >
> > > Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely
> > > to be any kind of trojan or malware.
> >
> > No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen in on
an
> > iPad, such as:
> >
> > http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig
> >
> > That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search for
> > "spy software for ipad".
>
> That is appears to be a legitmate product aimed at parents to keep
> track and secure what of what their kids are doing. It's not malware
> and it doesn't even work on iOS devices (yet? It will need to get
> through Apple's approval process before it does).
>
> Unless you've specifically installed something from an unknown / dodgey
> source website, which is basically impossible since you haven't
> jailbroken the iPad, then there is even less malware for iOS devices
> than there is for Mac OS (which is basically none anyway).

And no bad guy would ever use such software for a bad purpose because it was
written for a legitimate use?    If it is a computer, someone can write a
trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can escape
notice for a long time.

I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, but
certainly not zero risk.    How can Apple inspect every code path inside of
hundreds of thousands of applicaitons?


> > In any case, I'm just trying to understand what events on an iPad lead
to
> > that shutter sound, because I seem to be triggering it.
>
> I don't know. Best to ask in the "comp.mobile.ipad" newsgroup or
> Apple's support website to see if anyone has has the same sound, but it
> is not any kind of malware. Most likely it's just you or the cover
> pushing one of the buttons accidently.

Thanks.

-- 
W

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#54454

In article <tIudneMMgsW_9FfPnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
<persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:

> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message
> news:060120141854246005%YourName@YourISP.com...
> > In article <wcGdnSK31uRkoVfPnZ2dnUVZ5gWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> > > "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in message
> > > news:060120141627473056%YourName@YourISP.com...
> > > > In article <K72dnY3P88CGvVfPnZ2dnUVZ5hGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > > > <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am listening to a Podcast on my iPad Mini, and I'm noticing
> > > > > that - with the screen cover already secured - when I set the
> > > > > iPad down on a table, or lift it off, I hear a system sound
> > > > > that is the same as the one that is made when you snap a photo.
> > > > > Is this normal behavior?    Not sure if I should be worried
> > > > > about a trojan on my iPad.
> > > >
> > > > Did you "jailbreak" your iPad?? If not, then it's *extremely* unlikely
> > > > to be any kind of trojan or malware.
> > >
> > > No jailbreak, but the Internet is loaded with trojans that listen
> > > in on an iPad, such as:
> > >
> > > http://www.webwatcher.com/?gclid=CKORmZ3m6LsCFYN_QgodMQIAig
> > >
> > > That was just one of the first links that pops up on a Google search for
> > > "spy software for ipad".
> >
> > That is appears to be a legitmate product aimed at parents to keep
> > track and secure what of what their kids are doing. It's not malware
> > and it doesn't even work on iOS devices (yet? It will need to get
> > through Apple's approval process before it does).
> >
> > Unless you've specifically installed something from an unknown / dodgey
> > source website, which is basically impossible since you haven't
> > jailbroken the iPad, then there is even less malware for iOS devices
> > than there is for Mac OS (which is basically none anyway).
> 
> And no bad guy would ever use such software for a bad purpose because it was
> written for a legitimate use?    If it is a computer, someone can write a
> trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can escape
> notice for a long time.
> 
> I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, but
> certainly not zero risk.    How can Apple inspect every code path inside of
> hundreds of thousands of applicaitons?

Again: There is NO MALWARE for the iPad (unless you're stupid enough to
jailbreak it).   :-\

Besides which, a piece of malware that takes a photo when you put down
/ pick up your iPad is completely useless to anyone.

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#54487

In article <tIudneMMgsW_9FfPnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
<persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:

> And no bad guy would ever use such software for a bad purpose because it was
> written for a legitimate use? 

the key is they can't install such software on an ios device. period.

> If it is a computer, someone can write a
> trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can escape
> notice for a long time.

not for ios devices, they can't. 

> I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, but
> certainly not zero risk.    How can Apple inspect every code path inside of
> hundreds of thousands of applicaitons?

all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can
monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by design.

*if* you jailbreak, then it's possible that a jailbreak app can do
stuff like that, but *not* the legitimate apps. you said you didn't
jailbreak so there is no malware of any kind on your device.

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#54534

"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:070120141329517838%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> In article <tIudneMMgsW_9FfPnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>
> > And no bad guy would ever use such software for a bad purpose because it
was
> > written for a legitimate use?
>
> the key is they can't install such software on an ios device. period.
>
> > If it is a computer, someone can write a
> > trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can escape
> > notice for a long time.
>
> not for ios devices, they can't.
>
> > I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, but
> > certainly not zero risk.    How can Apple inspect every code path inside
of
> > hundreds of thousands of applicaitons?
>
> all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can
> monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by design.

I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what one
application can do.

Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other
applications.   They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to listen in
to conversations in a room, etc.   The rogue application would not have less
capability than any other application on the phone.

-- 
W

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#54536

In article <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
<persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:

> > > If it is a computer, someone can write a
> > > trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can escape
> > > notice for a long time.
> >
> > not for ios devices, they can't.
> >
> > > I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk, but
> > > certainly not zero risk.    How can Apple inspect every code path inside
> > > of hundreds of thousands of applicaitons?
> >
> > all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can
> > monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by design.
> 
> I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what one
> application can do.
> 
> Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other
> applications.   They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to listen in
> to conversations in a room, etc.   The rogue application would not have less
> capability than any other application on the phone.

rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken
phone, which removes all of the security).

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#54550

"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:090120141154027423%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> In article <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>
> > > > If it is a computer, someone can write a
> > > > trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can
escape
> > > > notice for a long time.
> > >
> > > not for ios devices, they can't.
> > >
> > > > I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk,
but
> > > > certainly not zero risk.    How can Apple inspect every code path
inside
> > > > of hundreds of thousands of applicaitons?
> > >
> > > all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can
> > > monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by design.
> >
> > I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what
one
> > application can do.
> >
> > Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other
> > applications.   They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to
listen in
> > to conversations in a room, etc.   The rogue application would not have
less
> > capability than any other application on the phone.
>
> rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken
> phone, which removes all of the security).

How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+ applications?

If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could - in
some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or control.

-- 
W

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#54552

On 2014-01-10 06:01:50 +0000, W said:

> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:090120141154027423%nospam@nospam.invalid...
>> In article <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> If it is a computer, someone can write a
>>>>> trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can
> escape
>>>>> notice for a long time.
>>>> 
>>>> not for ios devices, they can't.
>>>> 
>>>>> I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk,
> but
>>>>> certainly not zero risk.    How can Apple inspect every code path
> inside
>>>>> of hundreds of thousands of applicaitons?
>>>> 
>>>> all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can
>>>> monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by design.
>>> 
>>> I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what
> one
>>> application can do.
>>> 
>>> Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other
>>> applications.   They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to
> listen in
>>> to conversations in a room, etc.   The rogue application would not have
> less
>>> capability than any other application on the phone.
>> 
>> rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken
>> phone, which removes all of the security).
> 
> How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+ applications?
> 
> If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could - in
> some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or control.

Sorry... ...but no.

one line of code CANNOT do something malicious.

Try again.

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#54611

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
news:lao2lv$4oh$1@news.datemas.de...
> On 2014-01-10 06:01:50 +0000, W said:
>
> > "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:090120141154027423%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> >> In article <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> If it is a computer, someone can write a
> >>>>> trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can
> > escape
> >>>>> notice for a long time.
> >>>>
> >>>> not for ios devices, they can't.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk,
> > but
> >>>>> certainly not zero risk.    How can Apple inspect every code path
> > inside
> >>>>> of hundreds of thousands of applicaitons?
> >>>>
> >>>> all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can
> >>>> monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by
design.
> >>>
> >>> I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what
> > one
> >>> application can do.
> >>>
> >>> Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other
> >>> applications.   They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to
> > listen in
> >>> to conversations in a room, etc.   The rogue application would not
have
> > less
> >>> capability than any other application on the phone.
> >>
> >> rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken
> >> phone, which removes all of the security).
> >
> > How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+
applications?
> >
> > If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could -
in
> > some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or
control.
>
> Sorry... ...but no.
>
> one line of code CANNOT do something malicious.

What kind of sleight of hand is that to infer that I was saying a single
line of code would cause a trojan?    I never said that or inferred that.

Apple cannot check all of the source code in every application on their
store, and whole sections of that code might be used for a bad intent.

I am not saying it would be easy, and certainly the App Store is a less
likely place to find a Trojan than programs in unrestricted environments
that would run on a phone that has been rooted.    But unless Apple can test
every possible code path in every program, there is no way there can be
certainty about how the programs would behave in all cases.

-- 
W

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#54616

In article <ELOdnbcSfZjLuU_PnZ2dnUVZ5rqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
<persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>
<snip>
> 
> What kind of sleight of hand is that to infer that I was saying a single
> line of code would cause a trojan?    I never said that or inferred that.
> 
> Apple cannot check all of the source code in every application on their
> store, and whole sections of that code might be used for a bad intent.
> 
> I am not saying it would be easy, and certainly the App Store is a less
> likely place to find a Trojan than programs in unrestricted environments
> that would run on a phone that has been rooted.    But unless Apple can test
> every possible code path in every program, there is no way there can be
> certainty about how the programs would behave in all cases.

Yet again: There is NO iOS malware, but you continue to believe
whatever nonense you want to. The queue for the tin foil hats is at the
otrher end of the building. 

Another fool joins the killfile.  :-\

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#54646

In message <ELOdnbcSfZjLuU_PnZ2dnUVZ5rqdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  W <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:lao2lv$4oh$1@news.datemas.de...
>> On 2014-01-10 06:01:50 +0000, W said:
>>
>> > "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:090120141154027423%nospam@nospam.invalid...
>> >> In article <WOOdnWdoMfluFlPPnZ2dnUVZ5jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> >> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>> If it is a computer, someone can write a
>> >>>>> trojan for it, and if they are good at writing trojans, they can
>> > escape
>> >>>>> notice for a long time.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> not for ios devices, they can't.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I installed an alternate browser from the Appstore, so minimum risk,
>> > but
>> >>>>> certainly not zero risk.    How can Apple inspect every code path
>> > inside
>> >>>>> of hundreds of thousands of applicaitons?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> all code is sanboxed and codesigned. there is *no* way one app can
>> >>>> monitor or alter what another app is doing. period. this is by
> design.
>> >>>
>> >>> I understand that they might use processes to limit the scope of what
>> > one
>> >>> application can do.
>> >>>
>> >>> Most trojans on a cell phone though are not use to spy on other
>> >>> applications.   They are used to take photos, turn on the phone to
>> > listen in
>> >>> to conversations in a room, etc.   The rogue application would not
> have
>> > less
>> >>> capability than any other application on the phone.
>> >>
>> >> rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken
>> >> phone, which removes all of the security).
>> >
>> > How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+
> applications?
>> >
>> > If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could -
> in
>> > some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or
> control.
>>
>> Sorry... ...but no.
>>
>> one line of code CANNOT do something malicious.

> What kind of sleight of hand is that to infer that I was saying a single
> line of code would cause a trojan?    I never said that or inferred that.

> Apple cannot check all of the source code in every application on their
> store, and whole sections of that code might be used for a bad intent.

> I am not saying it would be easy, and certainly the App Store is a less
> likely place to find a Trojan than programs in unrestricted environments
> that would run on a phone that has been rooted.    But unless Apple can test
> every possible code path in every program, there is no way there can be
> certainty about how the programs would behave in all cases.

It's a lot simpler than you seem to think, and the proof is in the
pudding as there have been no trojans.

Apps on iOS are sandboxed, they can't interact with any other apps.

-- 
Instant karma's going to get you!

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#54562

In article <56OdnXMhOZFSEVLPnZ2dnUVZ5g6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
<persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:

> > rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken
> > phone, which removes all of the security).
> 
> How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+ applications?

they don't have to check every line of code. 

one thing they do is check to see what api calls an app uses and if any
of those are not among the public official apis, the app is rejected.
this is an automated process and takes almost no time to do.

> If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could - in
> some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or control.

not when the apps are sandboxed. 

there is *no* way one app can access the data of another app. period.

as mentioned above, any attempt to get past that will result in a
rejection. even doing something entirely legitimate that happens to use
private api calls will cause it to be rejected. 

a jailbroken phone removes all security, so anything goes. that's how
you can run unofficial apps and other hacks that never would have made
it to the official app store.

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#54612

"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:100120141539360202%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> In article <56OdnXMhOZFSEVLPnZ2dnUVZ5g6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>
> > > rogue applications cannot run on an iphone (outside of a jailbroken
> > > phone, which removes all of the security).
> >
> > How can Apple check every line of code in every one of 10K+
applications?
>
> they don't have to check every line of code.
>
> one thing they do is check to see what api calls an app uses and if any
> of those are not among the public official apis, the app is rejected.
> this is an automated process and takes almost no time to do.
>
> > If they cannot check every line of code, then some line of code could -
in
> > some circumstance - do malicious things, against Apple's policy or
control.
>
> not when the apps are sandboxed.
>
> there is *no* way one app can access the data of another app. period.

So what?   I never said that one program would access any part of any other
program.    People keep repeating this point, as if it is a requirement for
a Trojan.  It is not.

If a program can behave like a cell phone, and make calls, inspect common
address book information, open data connections to a remote host, etc,
plenty of mischief can be done.

I understand that such a program might not get root access and might not
have access to other applications.  That gives me little comfort.

-- 
W

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#54617

In article <hs2dnfy-jYd2uU_PnZ2dnUVZ5vadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
<persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:

> > there is *no* way one app can access the data of another app. period.
> 
> So what?   I never said that one program would access any part of any other
> program.    People keep repeating this point, as if it is a requirement for
> a Trojan.  It is not.
> 
> If a program can behave like a cell phone, and make calls, inspect common
> address book information, open data connections to a remote host, etc,
> plenty of mischief can be done.
> 
> I understand that such a program might not get root access and might not
> have access to other applications.  That gives me little comfort.

If it can't access other applications and data from other applications,
then it can't do any of that.  It's that simple.

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#54625

"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:110120142320215689%michelle@michelle.org...
> In article <hs2dnfy-jYd2uU_PnZ2dnUVZ5vadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> <persistentone@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>
> > > there is *no* way one app can access the data of another app. period.
> >
> > So what?   I never said that one program would access any part of any
other
> > program.    People keep repeating this point, as if it is a requirement
for
> > a Trojan.  It is not.
> >
> > If a program can behave like a cell phone, and make calls, inspect
common
> > address book information, open data connections to a remote host, etc,
> > plenty of mischief can be done.
> >
> > I understand that such a program might not get root access and might not
> > have access to other applications.  That gives me little comfort.
>
> If it can't access other applications and data from other applications,
> then it can't do any of that.  It's that simple.

Say the application is a chat application.   Why couldn't it open up the
microphone and listen to sounds in the room around the iPad?  Why couldn't
it sense when the iPad is activated and take photos?   Why couldn't it
browse allowed parts of the file system?   If the application has Internet
access it could establish an outgoing connection to a control channel, and
then someone on the other end could use that connection to direct the
actions of the application.

No, that's not as bad as a rootkit virus on a desktop operating system.
But it is intrusive.

-- 
W

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