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Re: How to get mantissa of long double?

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: How to get mantissa of long double?
Date 2021-10-06 08:11 +0200
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On 06/10/2021 07:58, Bonita Montero wrote:
> Am 05.10.2021 um 20:21 schrieb Bart:
>> On 05/10/2021 18:14, Bonita Montero wrote:

>>> That's pure software - your CPU doesn't natively support 128 bit FP.
>>>
>>
>> Does it matter?
> 
> Yes, It's rare that you need 128 bit FP and it's even more rare that
> the speed doesn't matter.
> 

Until a couple of days ago, you didn't think 128-bit floating point
existed.  Now you think you know how it is used and what is important to
users?

There was a time when /all/ floating point, at least on "normal"
computers, was in software.  Yet people used it - including 64-bit
doubles which were much slower than 32-bit float.  Then floating point
co-processors became common, and made floating point somewhat faster
(though still slow).  And people used them.  There are a great many
processors that still don't have hardware floating point, and people use
software floats if they need floating point.  You do so because getting
the correct answer is more important than getting a fast answer.

If you need the greater precision or range of quad precision floating
point, then you use that.  If it is slow, you accept that - or you pay
the price for faster hardware.

There does not seem to be much call for quad precision - not enough for
many cpu manufacturers to spend the significant die space needed to
implement it in hardware.  But there is enough call for it to be
implemented in software on many tools (gcc and clang for x86 have it as
__float128, and I'd be slightly surprised if MS doesn't have some
support through a similar extension), it is specified in a number of cpu
architecture documents for future implementation, and there are many
library implementations available.

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How to get mantissa of long double? wij <wyniijj@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 08:37 -0700
  Re: How to get mantissa of long double? RadicalRabbit@theburrow.co.uk - 2021-10-01 16:09 +0000
    Re: How to get mantissa of long double? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-10-01 14:05 -0400
      Re: How to get mantissa of long double? wij <wyniijj@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 17:23 -0700
        Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-10-02 18:58 +0200
          Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-10-02 19:21 +0200
  Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 19:18 +0200
    Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 19:20 +0200
      Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 19:25 +0200
        Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 19:53 +0200
          Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 08:09 +0200
            Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-10-03 11:15 +0100
              Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 12:19 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? red floyd <no.spam@its.invalid> - 2021-10-03 18:03 -0700
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-10-04 09:52 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-10-04 09:59 +0000
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 13:50 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-10-04 20:04 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 07:12 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-10-05 09:47 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 16:46 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-10-05 19:04 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 19:13 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 09:04 -0700
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 19:14 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-10-05 19:21 +0100
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 07:58 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-10-06 08:11 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 10:25 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-06 14:25 +0000
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 16:53 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-10-06 12:12 +0100
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 14:48 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2021-10-06 09:44 -0700
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 18:52 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 19:02 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-10-07 05:35 +0000
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-10-07 08:20 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 08:38 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 08:42 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-10-07 10:23 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-08 20:23 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-10-09 10:23 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-09 10:50 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-09 09:02 +0000
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-09 14:57 +0000
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-10-09 12:16 +0100
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-10-09 15:10 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2021-10-09 10:26 -0700
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-12 21:23 +0100
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? RadicalRabbit@theburrow.co.uk - 2021-10-13 10:30 +0000
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 08:38 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-10-08 04:37 +0000
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-08 07:54 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2021-10-07 22:44 -0700
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-10-07 08:17 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-10-08 04:39 +0000
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-10-08 09:25 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-08 14:34 +0000
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 13:57 -0700
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 19:34 +0000
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                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 10:19 +0000
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-10-04 14:06 +0100
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 16:12 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 16:15 +0000
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                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-10-05 10:00 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 16:47 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-04 14:37 +0000
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 16:53 +0200
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-04 17:08 +0000
                Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-10-04 20:22 +0100
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      Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 20:16 +0200
  Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:53 +0000
    Re: How to get mantissa of long double? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-10-01 20:19 -0400
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            Re: How to get mantissa of long double? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-10-02 15:37 -0400
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        Re: How to get mantissa of long double? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 21:27 +0200
          Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-10-02 23:19 +0200
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        Re: How to get mantissa of long double? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-10-03 23:31 -0400
          Re: How to get mantissa of long double? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:34 +0000
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