Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs!

From	davidson@freevolt.org
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs!
Date	2016-09-18 22:50 +0200
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 9/18/2016 12:18 PM, davidson@freevolt.org wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sunday 18 September 2016 02:05:42 Shervin Emami wrote:
>>>> At "www.debian.org" I clicked on "Getting Debian", and then to
>>>> get a net
>>>> install image there are 3 different pages that all have direct
>>>> links to the
>>>> ISO files, but no link at all about how to get the MD5sums.
>>>> Even the Verify
>>>> page doesn't show how to find the MD5sums. So I think it will
>>>> help many
>>>> users if there can be a link to the MD5sum file at these 4 pages:
>>>>
>>>>     https://www.debian.org/distrib/
>>>>     https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
>>>>     https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
>>>>     https://www.debian.org/CD/verify
>>>> 
>>>> I was looking for amd64 netinstall but it seems the problem
>>>> exists for all
>>>> architectures and both for netinstall or CD. So adding a few
>>>> links could
>>>> help quite a few beginners!
>>> 
>>> Not just beginners.  I too find it a nightmare, and sometimes
>>> give up.  If you
>>> look at the raw HTML you can extract the URL of the download
>>> directory and
>>> they are indeed there - it is finding the directory which is
>>> hard, because
>>> the link just says "click here" or something, and if you click
>>> it immediately
>>> begins downloading.  You never see the directory.
>>> 
>>> One of the developers has raised this as a bug.
>> 
>> Four things:
>> 
>> 1. Can anyone provide a link to this bug report?
>
> *VERY IMPORTANT* !
>
>> 
>> 2. If you view page source to figure out what url a link points
>> to, I suspect that either
>>   1) you find page source inherently  fascinating,
>
> I am not Lisi, but I find that OFFENSIVE!

In my book, if what you read is always inoffensive then you are not
much of a reader.

It appears that I have managed to promote literacy without even
trying.

>>  or
>> 2) your browser does not provide an easier method for obtaining that
>> information.
>> 
>> A web browser without a status line that displays the url pointed to
>> by the current link is like a car with an opaque windscreen. IMHO.
>
> Who is target audience of the link?
>  1. some GEEK
>  2. Some John/Jane Q. Public who has *HEARD* that Linux > Windows?

I imagine the audience is some category that includes both (1) and
(2).

Quantitatively, I expect that the 2s significantly outnumber the 1s.

I confess that I suspect your question was rhetorical, that it was
meant to assert (2) as the correct answer, and that it is possible I
don't understand the point you are making here.

I halfway suspect that you have, somehow, read a different message
than the one I intended to write. Either that, or you are making a
joke, and it is one that has flown over my head. (If the latter case,
there is no need to explain the joke. Do not spoil anything, on my
behalf, for people with a better sense of humor.)

>> Firefox does not lack this feature. Neither does lynx (though lynx
>> must be set to "advanced" mode to enable it).
>> 
>> Are you sure your browser does not have a similar feature that
>> can be
>> enabled?
>
> SEE question above.

Hrm. Are we on the same page?

I intended to 1) register my surprise that Lisi searches through page
source to find the url associated with a given link, and 2) mention
the existence of other ways to find (and use) that url, for the
possible benefit of whoever might have been unaware.

Casting about in the darkness, in case it was unclear to anybody: the
reason for my remarks about browser features was not to cast blame on
John/Jane Q. Public for difficulties they encounter should they fail
to use a web browser whose feature-set I have personally approved.

Also, if we are taking votes on whether the web site can be improved,
please mark me down as a "Yea".

Pop quiz!

Q: Is this what I meant? "Can't see what location this link points to?
HAR HAR! Get a better browser, you dummy!"

A: No.

>> 4. This thread prompted me look up how one can contribute to
>> Debian's
>> web pages. It looks like interested parties can begin here:
>>
>>   "Helping with the Debian web pages"
>>   https://www.debian.org/devel/website/
>> 
>
> Did you know Debian has a "wiki".

This looks like another rhetorical question, whose apparent content I
might have thought both uncontroversial and unremarkable, and whose
pertinence and intent is unclear to me.

I must seem very obtuse.

-- 
   Elly May, this is Wiggy and Shaky, and that's Horace, the great
   poet, thinker, and philosopher.

The Beverly Hillbillies - season 3 episode 27 "Big Daddy Jed"
http://mreplay.com/transcript/the_beverly_hillbillies-(big_daddy,_jed)/4692/TVLANDP/Wednesday_October_15_2014/762166/

Thread

Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! Shervin Emami <shervin.emami@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 02:00 +0200
  Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! "der.hans" <deb-user@LuftHans.com> - 2016-09-18 02:50 +0200
    Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! Shervin Emami <shervin.emami@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 03:30 +0200
      Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 13:50 +0200
        Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! davidson@freevolt.org - 2016-09-18 19:20 +0200
          Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! davidson@freevolt.org - 2016-09-18 19:30 +0200
          Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-09-18 20:50 +0200
            Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> - 2016-09-18 21:30 +0200
              Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! Francesco Ariis <fa-ml@ariis.it> - 2016-09-18 22:20 +0200
            Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! davidson@freevolt.org - 2016-09-18 22:50 +0200
            Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 23:40 +0200
              Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-09-19 12:40 +0200
          Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! davidson@freevolt.org - 2016-09-18 21:20 +0200
  Re: Very hard to find MD5 checksum of Debian CDs! Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2016-09-18 03:10 +0200

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