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| From | André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.theory |
| Subject | Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] |
| Date | 2021-07-30 16:13 -0600 |
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On 2021-07-30 15:53, olcott wrote:
> On 7/30/2021 4:46 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
>> On 2021-07-30 11:11, olcott wrote:
>>> On 7/30/2021 12:06 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-30 07:46, olcott wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> int Simulate(u32 P, u32 I)
>>>>> {
>>>>> ((int(*)(int))P)(I);
>>>>> return 1;
>>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> Why is this function called 'Simulate'?
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing remotely resembling simulation going on there. The
>>>> function is simply calling the function pointer that was passed to
>>>> it. That's execution, not simulation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is the simplest possible function that is computationally
>>> equivalent to a simulation. Since every single instruction of the
>>> entire x86utm operating system is simulated the name is also
>>> literally true.
>>
>> Well, no, it isn't. The name 'simulator' suggests that this function
>> performs simulation. From what you suggest above, 'simulator' is,
>> itself, being simulated. That's something altogether different which
>> makes the name incredibly misleading.
>>
>
> Then think of it as being named Big_Freds_Pizza(), the point is that my
> code seems to defeat Rice.
>
> Didn't you make a claim that you could fool it?
>
>>>> Which raises all sorts of questions regarding your previous usage of
>>>> the term 'simulate'. Does your 'simulating decider' actually involve
>>>> simulation at all?
>>>>
>>>> André
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The x86utm operating system is based on an x86 emulator that has
>>> decades of development.
>>
>> That doesn't answer my question at all (and I don't know why you think
>> anyone cares how many decades something has been under development).
>>
>> You consistently referred to your H as a 'simulating halt decider',
>> but every time you present code snippets of H it shows H making a
>> direct call to its input rather than invoking any kind of simulator.
>>
>> So is H actually the thing doing the simulation, or is H simply
>> *being* simulated in much the same way as your so-called 'Simulate'
>> function above is?
>>
>> André
>>
>
> Why can't you seem to stay focused on the key point at hand?
> Why do you diverge off on inconsequential trivialities?
Because it *isn't* an inconsequential triviality. I'm trying to figure
out the actual architecture of your system, and you are being
deliberately unhelpful.
Just because you don't understand why a particular question is being
asked isn't a good reason to refuse to answer it. I can guarantee you
that if you ever present your work in a *real* academic environment, you
will be asked all sorts of questions of which you might not immediately
see the relevance, and you *will* be expected to answer them.
> If you think that you can fool my Pathological self-reference(Olcott
> 2004) decider go ahead any try this. If it is impossible to fool it then
> that proves that it is correct.
How can anyone possible answer this?
You've apparently now got two different halt decider, H1 and H2. You
haven't provided even the vaguest description of what these things do or
how they differ from one another.
You can't expect people to answer questions about code that you have not
provided.
André
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Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-30 08:46 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-30 15:09 +0100
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-30 10:40 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-30 19:27 +0100
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-30 13:45 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-30 13:28 -0700
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-30 21:47 +0100
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-30 16:43 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2021-07-30 14:51 -0700
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-30 16:59 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-30 15:21 -0700
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-30 17:45 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-07-30 16:32 -0700
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-30 18:44 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-30 17:25 -0700
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-31 23:17 +0100
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-31 21:34 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-08-01 11:22 +0100
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-08-01 23:07 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-08-02 17:32 +0100
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-08-02 13:37 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-08-03 01:25 +0100
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-08-02 20:02 -0500
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Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-08-02 21:26 -0500
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Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-08-02 22:39 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-08-02 22:29 -0700
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-08-04 19:45 +0100
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-08-02 22:22 -0700
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2021-07-30 11:06 -0600
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-30 12:11 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2021-07-30 15:46 -0600
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-30 16:53 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2021-07-30 16:13 -0600
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-30 17:43 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2021-07-30 17:01 -0600
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2021-07-30 17:18 -0600
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-30 18:34 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2021-07-30 20:05 -0600
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-30 21:33 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2021-07-30 21:09 -0600
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-30 22:23 -0500
Re: Pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004) decider [ Defeating Rice's Theorem ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2021-07-30 20:57 -0700
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