Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N

From	Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com>
Newsgroups	comp.theory
Subject	Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N
Date	2021-07-08 14:21 -0600
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On 7/8/2021 6:37 AM, DV wrote:
> On Thursday, July 8, 2021 at 5:44:07 AM UTC-4, pehou...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 9:19:10 PM UTC-4, Daniel Pehoushek wrote:
>>> simple is good
>>> lifting up symbols halfway above the line is bad
>>>
>>> daniel (little d)
>> monotone reason is linear.
>> abortion is bad.
>> weapons are bad.
> 
> Do you mind if I ask what monotone reason is?

A "monotone reasoner" is a system/agent that can learn more but cannot 
learn different. Example: It is known that "Bob has a car." We can learn 
that "Bob's car is red." but wee cannot deal with "Bob actually has a 
skate board, not a car".

The issue with non-monotonic reasoning is that inferences made in the 
past can be invalidated by new knowledge and it's computationally 
expensive and god-awful hard to back out those now-wrong results.

Learning and proving mathematics is in principal monotonic. You can 
always rely on old theorems and conclusions as long as you are not 
taught something that is inconsistent with your current knowledge. Note: 
monotonic logic still leads to all the "you can't do it" stuff such as 
the halting theorem, incompleteness, etc. It just prevents mindless 
backtracking when one tries to use logic as a knowledge base technology.
-- 
Jeff Barnett

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revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-07 18:19 -0700
  Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-08 02:44 -0700
    Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N DV <xlt.pjw@gmail.com> - 2021-07-08 05:37 -0700
      Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2021-07-08 14:21 -0600
        Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-14 07:28 -0700
          Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N DV <xlt.pjw@gmail.com> - 2021-07-14 14:28 -0700
            Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-15 12:51 -0700
              Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 03:45 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N DV <xlt.pjw@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 06:48 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 14:28 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-26 04:45 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-26 14:35 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-28 00:35 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-28 02:40 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-28 17:27 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-28 11:50 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-28 20:52 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-28 15:53 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-28 16:58 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-28 17:41 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-29 01:45 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-28 20:07 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-28 20:27 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-29 14:59 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-07-29 02:27 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-29 06:24 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-07-29 07:50 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2021-07-29 11:44 -0600
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-29 11:59 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2021-07-29 13:23 -0600
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-29 20:04 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-29 15:56 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-29 11:53 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-29 20:12 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-29 13:12 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-29 23:18 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-29 15:36 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-29 16:38 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-30 00:59 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-29 17:05 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-30 01:19 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-29 17:27 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-30 02:22 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-29 19:16 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2021-07-29 22:25 -0600
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-30 00:35 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-30 10:53 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-30 05:19 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-30 14:22 +0100
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-30 07:16 -0700
                Re: revised relativization theorem: P=NP for small N, P!=NP for large N Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-30 15:22 +0100

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