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Re: Observations

From owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Observations
Date 2018-05-17 16:26 +0000
Organization O.W.L.
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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 5/17/18 8:16 AM, owl wrote:
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/17/18 6:01 AM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 17 May 2018 05:45:58 +0000 (UTC), owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/16/18 4:20 PM, owl wrote:
>>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/15/18 6:47 PM, owl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/18 5:49 PM, owl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>> short they are made for very different purposes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They are both spreadsheets.  They are made for the same purpose.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are both spreadsheets, sure, but they are each made with a very
>>>>>>>>>> different focus in terms of use cases.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some of the things we have been discussing and have in the past. sc is
>>>>>>>> made more for scripting and "heftier" number crunching, and to run
>>>>>>>> "light" on a system. Numbers is made more for ease of use, flexibility
>>>>>>>> in layout, integration with other media (images and text boxes, as
>>>>>>>> examples), and for simple formatting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As examples of the types of things Numbers is designed for, you can look
>>>>>>>> at the templates. Was going to list them here but easier to just show a
>>>>>>>> video. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/rT6R_sHnyYM>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charts and DTP stuff.  I use gnuplot and scribus for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure... but sc is not a good tool for it (of course)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sc can pipe data to gnuplot, and gnuplot is an excellent tool
>>>>> for charts.  sc can also export tabular data to be used by scribus.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or the real world example I used with you before:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/VzVKlou6byU>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SC can do inter-sheet communication with xdotool or tmux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Numbers has it built in.
>>>>>> That and multiple tables per sheet, and
>>>>>> multiple sheets per file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And Numbers cannot communicate with external sheets/files, while sc can.
>>>>> And sc can have multiple tables per sheet, as I have repeatedly shown.
>>>>>
>>>>> anon@lowtide:~/code/sc/multtable$ sc -WTable1 tables.sc 2>/dev/null
>>>>>              Table 1
>>>>>             1     2     3     4     5
>>>>>       1   100   780   860   940  1020
>>>>>       2  1100  1180     5  1340  1420
>>>>>       3     4  1580  1660  1740  1820
>>>>>       4  1900  1980  2060  2140  2220
>>>>>       5     3  2380  2460  2540  2620
>>>>> anon@lowtide:~/code/sc/multtable$ sc -WTable2 tables.sc 2>/dev/null
>>>>>                          Table 2
>>>>>             1     2     3     4     5     6     7     8     9    10
>>>>>       1     3     8    13    18    23    28    33    38    43    48
>>>>>       2    53    58    63    17    73    78    83    88    93    98
>>>>>       3    30   108   113   118   123   128   133   138   143   148
>>>>>       4    18   158   163   168   173   178   183   188   193   198
>>>>>       5   203   208   213   218   223   228   233   238   243   248
>>>>> anon@lowtide:~/code/sc/multtable$
>>>>> anon@lowtide:~/code/sc/multtable$ echo eval "@index(table1,5,5)"|sc tables.sc -q 2>/dev/null
>>>>> 2620
>>>>> anon@lowtide:~/code/sc/multtable$
>>>>
>>>> In his face.
>>>>
>>> One weakness with Owl's claim, though, is the use of the term "table" is
>>> not consistent even in the sc man page:
>>>
>>> <https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=sc&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+6.0-RELEASE+and+Ports&format=html>
>>>
>>> OR <https://goo.gl/kPm434>
>>>      -----
>>>      The spreadsheet calculator sc is based on rectangular tables much
>>>      like a financial spreadsheet. When invoked it presents you with a
>>>      table organized as rows and columns of cells. If invoked without a
>>>      file argument, the table is initially empty.
>>>      -----
>>>
>> 
>> sc manpage:
>> <quote>
>>         @index(r,e1,e2)   Use  the values of expressions e1 and (optionally) e2
>>                           ...
>>                           second and third arguments will then  be  interpreted
>>                           as  row and column, respectively, for indexing into a
>>                           two-dimensional table.
>> 
>> ....
>> 
>>         @nval(se,e)       Return  the numeric value of a cell selected by name.
>>                           ...
>>                           has  no  numeric value, the result is 0.  You can use
>>                           this for simple table lookups.   Be  sure  the  table
>>                           doesn't move unexpectedly!  See also @sval() below.
>> ....
>> 
>>         @ext(se,e)        Call  an  external function (program or script).  The
>>                           purpose is to allow arbitrary  functions  on  values,
>>                           e.g.   table   lookups  and  interpolations.
>> 
>> </quote>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> THE table. Not tables. Still, technically (even if the documentation is
>>> not clear), Owl's use of the word "table" is correct... which
>>> illustrates my point. Numbers and sc are so different than the
>>> terminology between the two does not make much sense.
>>>
>> 
>> It is Numbers that is breaking tradition and redefining things.
>> SC uses a single sheet, with tables inside the sheet, as does Excel.
>> But of course sheets are tables, as are all tabular data.
> 
> OK, so sc and Numbers, while both being spreadsheets, are very different 
> types of programs... so much so that they do not even use common 
> definitions.
> 
> I can go with that. Sure.
> 
>>> sc has a single grid (with cells such as A1 and Z99) that can be called
>>> a single spreadsheet which can have multiple sections you can refer to
>>> as tables. Excel allows you to even define these ranges AS tables (maybe
>>> sc can as well? I do not recall).
>>>
>>> Numbers has no real equal to what Excel (and maybe sc) call a
>>> "spreadsheet"
>> 
>> Strange that a spreadsheet app has no concept of a spreadsheet.
> 
> It has a different "concept" of one. Sure. They are very different types 
> of programs. No doubt.
> 
>>> (it can have multiple "A1" cells on a single sheet), even
>>> though it clearly is a spreadsheet program. It has individual tables
>>> which are on sheets. Those tables are not tied to each other (though
>>> they can reference each other's fields). They need not be lined up, and
>>> in the canvas in which they "float" you can have shapes, images, text,
>>> or even videos.
>> 
>> And that "canvas" has nothing to do with spreadsheets, so it's just
>> fluff.  The "spreadsheet" functionality of Numbers is contained within
>> what its "tables" (which are just sheets).
> 
> The canvas is not a spreadsheet, but that does not make it "fluff". It 
> means it is a very different type of program... one you do not really 
> get. I am OK with that. And I also understand at least some of the 
> strengths and weaknesses of the two paradigms. Excel is closer to sc in 
> terms of types of programs, and I use both Numbers and Excel. I used to 
> use vc, which (I think) sc is based on. Been a LONG time since I have 
> done so, though.
> 
> And the tables in Numbers are not "sheets". Sheets are tabs within a 
> single file (though to call them "tabs" would be confusing given how you 
> can have different files in tabs in the same window). A sheet can have 
> zero, one, or more tables (though generally has at least one).
> 

From what I understand, when you convert a Numbers file with multiple
tables to Excel, all the Numbers "tables" become separate Excel sheets.
(As they should, because they are, well, sheets :).


> This is different terminology than you use, of course, because of how 
> different the programs are.
>

Different terminology than I, and the rest of the non-Apple world, use.

 
>>> So owl is right to note how different the two program are... which was
>>> my point. :)
>> 
>> I note how Numbers is different from traditional spreadsheet apps with
>> redefinition of a common term.
> 
> The concept of the program is different. It uses the terms in ways which 
> make sense but which are not the same as Numbers and sc (which is not to 
> say they are wrong, either).
> 
> This is similar to how you failed to understand how a text editor and a 
> word processor are not the same... even though they have overlaps and 
> might use the same terms in somewhat different ways.
> 

The one failing to understand here is you.  And you appear to have
changed your opinion of these things recently.  Previously you were
arguing that Apple's definition of a "table" was the be-all-and-end-all
of table definitions.  As for what constitutes a "word processor,"
all of the so-called word processors are venturing far out into
DTP territory.  They need to stick to "processing words" and get
that right first -- polishing and working out bugs in things like
pagination, sections, etc. -- before worrying about "rotating images."
 

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                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 15:50 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 17:04 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 17:53 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 18:29 -0700
                Re: Observations Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-19 01:33 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 18:39 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 19:12 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 20:13 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 23:03 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 08:16 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 08:28 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 08:47 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 08:50 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 09:00 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 09:03 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 09:25 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 09:27 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 09:32 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 17:39 -0700
                Re: Observations chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-21 07:16 -0500
                Re: Observations Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-05-21 09:20 -0400
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 07:23 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 08:41 -0700
                Re: Observations chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-22 08:22 -0500
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-21 09:31 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 09:59 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 11:23 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-21 19:28 +0000
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 14:39 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 20:21 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 00:31 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 09:09 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 09:47 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:04 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:17 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:29 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:42 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:38 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:58 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 11:05 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 11:36 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 11:44 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 12:32 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 12:36 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 12:44 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 12:48 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 13:20 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 13:31 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 14:36 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 15:04 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 15:23 -0700
                Don't expect a good response. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-22 15:12 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 15:53 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 16:46 -0700
                innerText Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-22 16:59 -0700
                Re: innerText Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 17:39 -0700
                Re: innerText Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:06 -0700
                Re: innerText Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-23 01:18 +0000
                Re: innerText Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 18:21 -0700
                Re: innerText Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:32 -0700
                Re: innerText Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:32 -0700
                Re: innerText Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 18:49 -0700
                Re: innerText RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 20:09 +0000
                Why ?  What's the goal ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-22 18:46 -0700
                Re: Why ?  What's the goal ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 19:10 -0700
                Re: Why ? What's the goal ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 19:30 -0700
                Re: Why ? What's the goal ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 19:28 -0700
                Re: Why ? What's the goal ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 20:37 -0700
                Re: innerText Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 17:46 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:05 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 19:13 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 19:31 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:45 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 08:43 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:12 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 09:24 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:49 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:34 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 12:56 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 13:34 -0700
                Tables Within Tables. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-23 13:56 -0700
                Re: Tables Within Tables. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 14:10 -0700
                If not a .CSV file, then what ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-23 14:47 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 15:19 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 17:59 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 19:14 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 19:42 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 12:23 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-24 14:42 -0500
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 13:13 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 09:21 -0500
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 09:13 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:22 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 12:08 -0500
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:20 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:28 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:38 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:49 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:56 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:41 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 21:08 -0700
                Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-25 11:22 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 11:50 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 11:55 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 12:45 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 14:12 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 14:42 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 15:23 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:39 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 16:12 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 18:25 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 18:56 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-26 02:24 +0000
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:35 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:46 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:51 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:05 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:26 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 16:13 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 18:42 -0700
                Michael's PlanetKilling carbon dioxide. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-26 02:27 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:32 -0700
                "trolling and flooding" your way to freedom, divorce. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-26 02:12 -0700
                Re: "trolling and flooding" your way to freedom, divorce. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 02:36 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 12:01 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 11:13 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:14 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 09:17 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:31 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 09:43 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:53 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:18 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:54 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:40 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:11 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:39 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 12:09 -0500
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:16 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:24 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:43 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:50 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 14:15 -0700
                Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-26 02:44 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 09:53 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 10:15 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 11:48 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 11:58 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:06 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 12:13 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:41 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 20:21 +0000
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 14:05 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 14:46 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:04 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:27 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 16:31 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:40 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:58 -0700
                Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 17:14 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 12:27 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 12:50 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 08:52 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 09:18 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 20:41 +0000
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 16:53 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 17:21 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 17:45 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 22:59 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 17:35 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 21:26 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 09:28 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 09:42 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 10:33 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:31 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 10:42 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:04 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 11:19 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:43 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 11:59 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 12:51 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 12:56 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:06 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 13:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:36 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 14:11 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 14:56 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 15:59 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 16:05 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 16:27 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 17:01 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 20:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 21:22 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:41 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 18:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-28 19:06 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 11:48 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 11:55 -0700
                Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 14:41 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 12:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 13:13 -0700
                Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 14:40 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 13:36 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 19:28 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 13:02 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 13:27 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:48 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:37 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 12:18 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 15:56 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 14:23 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 14:48 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:30 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 17:43 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:03 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:21 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 13:09 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 14:00 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 16:51 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 20:17 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 20:53 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 21:30 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 21:47 -0700
                The head shrinker. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-24 22:13 -0700
                Re: The head shrinker. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:18 -0700
                Re: The head shrinker. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:22 -0700
                Re: The head shrinker. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:24 -0700
                "kinder" is German for "children". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-24 22:39 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 23:26 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:58 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 09:15 -0500
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 07:35 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:55 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:24 -0700
                Re: The head shrinker. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:19 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:04 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:10 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:16 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:22 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:25 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 20:19 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 20:25 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 21:06 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 23:26 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 02:35 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:16 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 15:30 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:44 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 16:32 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 18:53 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:28 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:42 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:57 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:01 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 20:10 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:13 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 20:37 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:44 -0700
                Ping Carroll: Why all the trolling? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:03 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-23 07:15 -0500
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:16 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:19 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 07:48 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-23 07:45 -0400
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 04:58 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:48 +0000
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 06:17 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:19 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:35 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 07:53 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 08:17 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 08:52 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:22 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 09:34 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 10:01 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:36 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:28 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 13:39 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 10:09 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:38 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:37 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:01 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 14:52 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:37 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 17:13 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 17:14 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 10:21 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 10:25 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 18:24 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 18:25 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 08:48 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 09:12 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 09:09 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 09:16 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 09:37 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 10:19 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 18:55 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 14:12 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 22:09 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 15:18 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 22:41 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 15:44 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 23:08 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 16:19 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 23:29 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 17:10 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 12:34 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 14:34 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 15:23 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 15:40 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 16:39 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 18:20 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 19:06 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 19:44 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 20:02 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 20:13 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 20:55 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 21:15 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 22:19 -0700
                Re: Observations Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-16 07:38 -0400
                Re: Observations chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-16 07:53 -0500
                Re: Observations Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-16 09:00 -0400
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 07:14 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 07:03 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 07:16 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 10:45 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 11:54 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:04 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:33 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:03 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 12:24 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:29 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 08:15 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 08:38 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 08:47 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 09:08 -0700
  Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 08:15 -0700
  Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 09:10 -0700
    Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-12 17:20 +0000
      Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 10:34 -0700
        Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-12 17:46 +0000
          Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 11:02 -0700
            Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-13 04:34 +0000
              Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 10:17 -0700

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