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Re: Observations

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Observations
Date 2018-05-17 08:46 -0700
Message-ID <fm5meeFne4iU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References (9 earlier) <fm48poFdjuqU3@mid.individual.net> <z0897b3a.buo7xh@rooftop.invalid> <t2vqfdl0gm4l3lvlufmugbh7dc977609av@4ax.com> <fm5h2jFm849U1@mid.individual.net> <a9b8008t3a.guo3@rooftop.invalid>

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On 5/17/18 8:16 AM, owl wrote:
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 5/17/18 6:01 AM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 May 2018 05:45:58 +0000 (UTC), owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/16/18 4:20 PM, owl wrote:
>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/15/18 6:47 PM, owl wrote:
>>>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/18 5:49 PM, owl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>> short they are made for very different purposes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are both spreadsheets.  They are made for the same purpose.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are both spreadsheets, sure, but they are each made with a very
>>>>>>>>> different focus in terms of use cases.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of the things we have been discussing and have in the past. sc is
>>>>>>> made more for scripting and "heftier" number crunching, and to run
>>>>>>> "light" on a system. Numbers is made more for ease of use, flexibility
>>>>>>> in layout, integration with other media (images and text boxes, as
>>>>>>> examples), and for simple formatting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As examples of the types of things Numbers is designed for, you can look
>>>>>>> at the templates. Was going to list them here but easier to just show a
>>>>>>> video. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/rT6R_sHnyYM>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charts and DTP stuff.  I use gnuplot and scribus for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure... but sc is not a good tool for it (of course)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sc can pipe data to gnuplot, and gnuplot is an excellent tool
>>>> for charts.  sc can also export tabular data to be used by scribus.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Or the real world example I used with you before:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/VzVKlou6byU>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SC can do inter-sheet communication with xdotool or tmux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Numbers has it built in.
>>>>> That and multiple tables per sheet, and
>>>>> multiple sheets per file.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And Numbers cannot communicate with external sheets/files, while sc can.
>>>> And sc can have multiple tables per sheet, as I have repeatedly shown.
>>>>
>>>> anon@lowtide:~/code/sc/multtable$ sc -WTable1 tables.sc 2>/dev/null
>>>>              Table 1
>>>>             1     2     3     4     5
>>>>       1   100   780   860   940  1020
>>>>       2  1100  1180     5  1340  1420
>>>>       3     4  1580  1660  1740  1820
>>>>       4  1900  1980  2060  2140  2220
>>>>       5     3  2380  2460  2540  2620
>>>> anon@lowtide:~/code/sc/multtable$ sc -WTable2 tables.sc 2>/dev/null
>>>>                          Table 2
>>>>             1     2     3     4     5     6     7     8     9    10
>>>>       1     3     8    13    18    23    28    33    38    43    48
>>>>       2    53    58    63    17    73    78    83    88    93    98
>>>>       3    30   108   113   118   123   128   133   138   143   148
>>>>       4    18   158   163   168   173   178   183   188   193   198
>>>>       5   203   208   213   218   223   228   233   238   243   248
>>>> anon@lowtide:~/code/sc/multtable$
>>>> anon@lowtide:~/code/sc/multtable$ echo eval "@index(table1,5,5)"|sc tables.sc -q 2>/dev/null
>>>> 2620
>>>> anon@lowtide:~/code/sc/multtable$
>>>
>>> In his face.
>>>
>> One weakness with Owl's claim, though, is the use of the term "table" is
>> not consistent even in the sc man page:
>>
>> <https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=sc&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+6.0-RELEASE+and+Ports&format=html>
>>
>> OR <https://goo.gl/kPm434>
>>      -----
>>      The spreadsheet calculator sc is based on rectangular tables much
>>      like a financial spreadsheet. When invoked it presents you with a
>>      table organized as rows and columns of cells. If invoked without a
>>      file argument, the table is initially empty.
>>      -----
>>
> 
> sc manpage:
> <quote>
>         @index(r,e1,e2)   Use  the values of expressions e1 and (optionally) e2
>                           ...
>                           second and third arguments will then  be  interpreted
>                           as  row and column, respectively, for indexing into a
>                           two-dimensional table.
> 
> ....
> 
>         @nval(se,e)       Return  the numeric value of a cell selected by name.
>                           ...
>                           has  no  numeric value, the result is 0.  You can use
>                           this for simple table lookups.   Be  sure  the  table
>                           doesn't move unexpectedly!  See also @sval() below.
> ....
> 
>         @ext(se,e)        Call  an  external function (program or script).  The
>                           purpose is to allow arbitrary  functions  on  values,
>                           e.g.   table   lookups  and  interpolations.
> 
> </quote>
> 
> 
> 
>> THE table. Not tables. Still, technically (even if the documentation is
>> not clear), Owl's use of the word "table" is correct... which
>> illustrates my point. Numbers and sc are so different than the
>> terminology between the two does not make much sense.
>>
> 
> It is Numbers that is breaking tradition and redefining things.
> SC uses a single sheet, with tables inside the sheet, as does Excel.
> But of course sheets are tables, as are all tabular data.

OK, so sc and Numbers, while both being spreadsheets, are very different 
types of programs... so much so that they do not even use common 
definitions.

I can go with that. Sure.

>> sc has a single grid (with cells such as A1 and Z99) that can be called
>> a single spreadsheet which can have multiple sections you can refer to
>> as tables. Excel allows you to even define these ranges AS tables (maybe
>> sc can as well? I do not recall).
>>
>> Numbers has no real equal to what Excel (and maybe sc) call a
>> "spreadsheet"
> 
> Strange that a spreadsheet app has no concept of a spreadsheet.

It has a different "concept" of one. Sure. They are very different types 
of programs. No doubt.

>> (it can have multiple "A1" cells on a single sheet), even
>> though it clearly is a spreadsheet program. It has individual tables
>> which are on sheets. Those tables are not tied to each other (though
>> they can reference each other's fields). They need not be lined up, and
>> in the canvas in which they "float" you can have shapes, images, text,
>> or even videos.
> 
> And that "canvas" has nothing to do with spreadsheets, so it's just
> fluff.  The "spreadsheet" functionality of Numbers is contained within
> what its "tables" (which are just sheets).

The canvas is not a spreadsheet, but that does not make it "fluff". It 
means it is a very different type of program... one you do not really 
get. I am OK with that. And I also understand at least some of the 
strengths and weaknesses of the two paradigms. Excel is closer to sc in 
terms of types of programs, and I use both Numbers and Excel. I used to 
use vc, which (I think) sc is based on. Been a LONG time since I have 
done so, though.

And the tables in Numbers are not "sheets". Sheets are tabs within a 
single file (though to call them "tabs" would be confusing given how you 
can have different files in tabs in the same window). A sheet can have 
zero, one, or more tables (though generally has at least one).

This is different terminology than you use, of course, because of how 
different the programs are.

>> So owl is right to note how different the two program are... which was
>> my point. :)
> 
> I note how Numbers is different from traditional spreadsheet apps with
> redefinition of a common term.

The concept of the program is different. It uses the terms in ways which 
make sense but which are not the same as Numbers and sc (which is not to 
say they are wrong, either).

This is similar to how you failed to understand how a text editor and a 
word processor are not the same... even though they have overlaps and 
might use the same terms in somewhat different ways.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 20:13 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 23:03 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 08:16 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 08:28 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 08:47 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 08:50 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 09:00 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 09:03 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 09:25 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 09:27 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 09:32 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 17:39 -0700
                Re: Observations chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-21 07:16 -0500
                Re: Observations Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-05-21 09:20 -0400
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 07:23 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 08:41 -0700
                Re: Observations chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-22 08:22 -0500
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-21 09:31 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 09:59 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 11:23 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-21 19:28 +0000
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 14:39 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 20:21 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 00:31 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 09:09 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 09:47 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:04 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:17 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:29 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:42 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:38 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:58 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 11:05 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 11:36 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 11:44 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 12:32 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 12:36 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 12:44 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 12:48 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 13:20 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 13:31 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 14:36 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 15:04 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 15:23 -0700
                Don't expect a good response. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-22 15:12 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 15:53 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 16:46 -0700
                innerText Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-22 16:59 -0700
                Re: innerText Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 17:39 -0700
                Re: innerText Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:06 -0700
                Re: innerText Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-23 01:18 +0000
                Re: innerText Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 18:21 -0700
                Re: innerText Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:32 -0700
                Re: innerText Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:32 -0700
                Re: innerText Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 18:49 -0700
                Re: innerText RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 20:09 +0000
                Why ?  What's the goal ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-22 18:46 -0700
                Re: Why ?  What's the goal ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 19:10 -0700
                Re: Why ? What's the goal ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 19:30 -0700
                Re: Why ? What's the goal ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 19:28 -0700
                Re: Why ? What's the goal ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 20:37 -0700
                Re: innerText Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 17:46 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:05 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 19:13 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 19:31 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:45 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 08:43 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:12 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 09:24 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:49 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:34 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 12:56 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 13:34 -0700
                Tables Within Tables. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-23 13:56 -0700
                Re: Tables Within Tables. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 14:10 -0700
                If not a .CSV file, then what ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-23 14:47 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 15:19 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 17:59 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 19:14 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 19:42 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 12:23 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-24 14:42 -0500
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 13:13 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 09:21 -0500
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 09:13 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:22 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 12:08 -0500
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:20 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:28 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:38 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:49 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:56 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:41 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 21:08 -0700
                Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-25 11:22 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 11:50 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 11:55 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 12:45 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 14:12 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 14:42 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 15:23 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:39 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 16:12 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 18:25 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 18:56 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-26 02:24 +0000
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:35 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:46 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:51 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:05 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:26 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 16:13 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 18:42 -0700
                Michael's PlanetKilling carbon dioxide. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-26 02:27 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:32 -0700
                "trolling and flooding" your way to freedom, divorce. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-26 02:12 -0700
                Re: "trolling and flooding" your way to freedom, divorce. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 02:36 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 12:01 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 11:13 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:14 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 09:17 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:31 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 09:43 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:53 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:18 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:54 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:40 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:11 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:39 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 12:09 -0500
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:16 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:24 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:43 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:50 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 14:15 -0700
                Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-26 02:44 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 09:53 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 10:15 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 11:48 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 11:58 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:06 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 12:13 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:41 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 20:21 +0000
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 14:05 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 14:46 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:04 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:27 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 16:31 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:40 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:58 -0700
                Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 17:14 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 12:27 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 12:50 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 08:52 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 09:18 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 20:41 +0000
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 16:53 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 17:21 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 17:45 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 22:59 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 17:35 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 21:26 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 09:28 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 09:42 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 10:33 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:31 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 10:42 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:04 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 11:19 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:43 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 11:59 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 12:51 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 12:56 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:06 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 13:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:36 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 14:11 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 14:56 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 15:59 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 16:05 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 16:27 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 17:01 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 20:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 21:22 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:41 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 18:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-28 19:06 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 11:48 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 11:55 -0700
                Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 14:41 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 12:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 13:13 -0700
                Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 14:40 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 13:36 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 19:28 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 13:02 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 13:27 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:48 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:37 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 12:18 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 15:56 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 14:23 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 14:48 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:30 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 17:43 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:03 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:21 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 13:09 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 14:00 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 16:51 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 20:17 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 20:53 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 21:30 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 21:47 -0700
                The head shrinker. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-24 22:13 -0700
                Re: The head shrinker. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:18 -0700
                Re: The head shrinker. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:22 -0700
                Re: The head shrinker. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:24 -0700
                "kinder" is German for "children". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-24 22:39 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 23:26 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:58 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 09:15 -0500
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 07:35 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:55 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:24 -0700
                Re: The head shrinker. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:19 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:04 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:10 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:16 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:22 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:25 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 20:19 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 20:25 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 21:06 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 23:26 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 02:35 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:16 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 15:30 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:44 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 16:32 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 18:53 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:28 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:42 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:57 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:01 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 20:10 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:13 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 20:37 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:44 -0700
                Ping Carroll: Why all the trolling? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:03 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-23 07:15 -0500
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:16 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:19 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 07:48 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-23 07:45 -0400
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 04:58 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:48 +0000
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 06:17 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:19 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:35 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 07:53 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 08:17 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 08:52 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:22 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 09:34 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 10:01 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:36 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:28 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 13:39 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 10:09 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:38 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:37 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:01 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 14:52 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:37 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 17:13 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 17:14 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 10:21 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 10:25 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 18:24 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 18:25 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 08:48 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 09:12 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 09:09 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 09:16 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 09:37 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 10:19 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 18:55 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 14:12 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 22:09 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 15:18 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 22:41 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 15:44 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 23:08 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 16:19 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 23:29 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 17:10 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 12:34 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 14:34 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 15:23 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 15:40 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 16:39 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 18:20 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 19:06 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 19:44 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 20:02 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 20:13 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 20:55 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 21:15 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 22:19 -0700
                Re: Observations Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-16 07:38 -0400
                Re: Observations chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-16 07:53 -0500
                Re: Observations Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-16 09:00 -0400
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 07:14 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 07:03 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 07:16 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 10:45 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 11:54 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:04 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:33 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:03 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 12:24 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:29 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 08:15 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 08:38 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 08:47 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 09:08 -0700
  Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 08:15 -0700
  Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 09:10 -0700
    Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-12 17:20 +0000
      Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 10:34 -0700
        Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-12 17:46 +0000
          Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 11:02 -0700
            Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-13 04:34 +0000
              Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 10:17 -0700

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