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Re: [ Preview ] { Unofficial } Windows 11.1

From Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.microsoft.windows, alt.comp.os.windows-8, alt.comp.os.windows-xp, alt.windows7.general, microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Subject Re: [ Preview ] { Unofficial } Windows 11.1
Date 2021-06-19 12:34 -0700
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <salgrf$bct$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References (5 earlier) <sakijj$6qc$1@dont-email.me> <sal01o$mnh$1@dont-email.me> <190620211106427623%nospam@nospam.invalid> <sal413$i4f$1@dont-email.me> <190620211422398624%nospam@nospam.invalid>

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nospam graced us with on 6/19/2021 11:22 AM:
>> Agree to disagree. It's a hassle to go through many steps now where only 
>> a few were needed prior.
> 
> it's a one time change.
> 
> there are also third party tools to simplify tweaking hidden settings
> and have been forever.
> 
Just to remind you, you entreated me as to what I would like. I replied. 
  Obviously, you disagree. Whatever.
>>>> There are others but this would be enough for me to seriously consider 
>>>> upgrading.
>>>>
>>>>>> What I suspect is that they will make significant 
>>>>>> infrastructure changes that will put everything behind a pay wall, just 
>>>>>> like Apple, disallowing sideloading of non- Windows Store software.
>>>>> Apple haven't done anything like the sort. 
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, they have with iOS devices.
>>> no they haven't.
>>>
>> le sigh:
>> REF: 
>>
>> https://www.zdnet.com/article/tim-cook-claims-sideloading-apps-would-destroy-s
>> ecurity-and-privacy-of-ios/
>>
>> [excerpt quote=\"
>> Tim Cook has claimed in an interview with Brut that if Apple was forced 
>> to allow sideloading of apps, as Android does, it would destroy security 
>> and privacy of iOS.
>> \" /]
> 
> once again, you don't understand the context.
> 
And, oddly, you refused to refute my legitimate response with 
clarification. Instead, simply skirting away.
> 
> nobody is forcing anyone, and the privacy issues are outside of webkit
> anyway.
> 
Wrong. If they disallow direct web access, they are forcing anyone and 
everyone. Also, they who control the data that is being transfered on 
the web control the competition. Do you think the developers of Brave or 
  Firefox or even Edge wouldn't prefer to use a fork of the same webkit 
for their browsers?

> webkit is open source, add/remove whatever you want.
> 
Not on iOS it isn't.
REF: 
https://www.wired.com/story/firefox-launched-a-new-android-app-to-lure-users-from-chrome/

[excerpt quote=\"
Apple’s closed ecosystem requires that all browsers, including Chrome, 
use WebKit as their underlying engines.
\" /]

> webkit is also very good, which is why so many companies use it.
> 
It is very good and the main reason Google fork'd it for their use. 
Mainly so they could move Blink in a more competitive way to meet their 
needs.

Of course, they could do that since, well, they also created their own 
smartphone by reverse-engineering Apple's Java modules but keeping 
compatibility the modules argument lists.

The simple fact is that Apple AND Alphabet have an iron-fist hold on the 
competition with their stores, guaranteeing that they'll always get 30% 
of every sale. This is obviously detrimental to consumers since the 
competitors will simply pass most of that 30% tax onto the hapless 
consumers.

> nothing prevents writing something else, which microsoft tried and
> failed. 
> 
Yes, there is. Microsoft failed for a number of reasons, not the least 
being their fumbling attempts at Win8 and Windows Phone which almost 
completely eroded their trustworthiness to consumers but, more 
importantly, to their enterprise accounts.

They won't enter those waters again anytime soon. However, they are 
wealthy enough that they can plan another line of attack at some point.

Most others aren't ... maybe Amazon, maybe Facebook???

> there are chromium-based browsers (aka blink, a webkit fork) with the
> google-bits stripped out, for example.

No one without an established platform would even bother. There will 
need to be a technology paradigm change. One that separates the service 
from the devices.

-- 
Sailfish
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                Re: [ Preview ] { Unofficial } Windows 11.1 Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> - 2021-06-18 16:02 -0700
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                Re: [ Preview ] { Unofficial } Windows 11.1 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-06-19 11:06 -0400
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            Re: [ Preview ] { Unofficial } Windows 11.1 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-06-19 11:06 -0400
              Re: [ Preview ] { Unofficial } Windows 11.1 Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> - 2021-06-19 08:55 -0700
                Re: [ Preview ] { Unofficial } Windows 11.1 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-06-19 14:22 -0400
                Re: [ Preview ] { Unofficial } Windows 11.1 Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> - 2021-06-19 12:34 -0700
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