Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin"

From	Jape Person <japers@comcast.net>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin"
Date	2016-11-19 19:10 +0100
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On 11/19/2016 09:30 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2016, Jape Person wrote:
>> What about hplip? Doesn't inclusion of the hp-setup program in hplip sort of
>> violate the spirit of having only FOSS in the main repository when executing
>
> No, it doesn't violate the spirit.  HPLIP is FLOSS, including the
> hp-setup program itself.  The binary blob is minor funcionality as far
> as HPLIP usage is concerned (although it isn't minor functionality for
> the unfortunate onwers of the subset of HP devices that require the
> binary blob to work).
>
> Now, if HPLIP was composed only of the hp-setup program, *and* hp-setup
> was only good for downloading/interfacing to the binary blob in the
> first place (as far as I recall, it does more than that), it would be
> "contrib" material (instead of Debian main material).
>
> That is not true, however.  So, HPLIP belongs in Debian main.  A package
> in main cannot build packages for contrib or non-free (and vice-versa),
> and it doesn't make sense to duplicate the entire HPLIP *source* package
> just to have a neutered-by-patching hp-setup utility in main, and a
> complete one in contrib.

I understand. I may have misunderstood the function of hp-setup. I 
thought it's sole purpose was to install the blob. If it does other 
machinations like taking care of installation / environment settings to 
make an MFP (like the old OfficeJet 6302 I tested last night) work, then 
that would explain why I saw no license agreement.

>> This seems to be a step backward in HP's technical support for open source
>> software. I'm disappointed.
>
> HP's printer division is nowadays very different from the one you might
> know from a decade ago.  You might want to inform yourself better about
> their recent attempts at ink cartridge lockdown, for example.

Ugh! I'm not sure I want to find out! Maybe I don't need a printer. Heh.

>
> Basically, if an HP printer is not a high-end model that has a
> software-driver-less network port that can take PDF/1A directly using
> the IPP protocol natively, I wouldn't recommend it.  If it does, I'd
> still recommend that you get yourself informed about its operational
> costs (ink/toner, replacement fusers and periodic maintenance kit) first
> -- but that is valid for any printer vendor.
>

I will look into this possibility. I may be mistaken, but I think that 
most such printers are "Enterprise" printer, are very expensive, and are 
FCC Class a emitters. I presume it's not kosher for me to use such a 
monster in my condominium. But if I can find one that doesn't wreak 
radio interference havoc or break my budget, that would be a very nice 
alternative. I'd probably be dead before the thing needs a toner 
cartridge replacement! I've got an hp lj1300 that's still on its second 
toner cartridge. Hmmm. For my "new" printer, maybe I should just find a 
way to put that old LaserJet directly on the network.

>> So, does anyone know of a laser MFP (or a separate laser printer and
>> scanner) which I can hook up to my network (preferably wirelessly) and use
>> in Debian testing without violating my planned avoidance of proprietary
>> software and drivers?
>
> I'd like to know that, too.  I need a new home color printer, my
> 10-year-old HP PhotoSmart (blobless) MFP has finally broken down and
> good second-hand parts are not easy to find in Brazil :-(
>

I will certainly respond to this list if I learn anything about blobless 
printing and scanning. I am hoping that HP technical support (I actually 
talked with someone who specializes in supporting Gnu/Linux.) will come 
up with something. He had me send him a list of the distros and 
applications I plan to use to see if he can hook me up with a set of 
simpler drivers for these devices. He even mentioned the pxljr drivers 
(produced by a third party) for the 3200 series Color LaserJets which 
support all features.

Thank you, Henrique!

Thread

hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 02:40 +0100
  Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-19 12:50 +0100
    Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 19:00 +0100
  Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2016-11-19 15:40 +0100
    Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-19 17:00 +0100
      Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2016-11-19 17:40 +0100
        Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-19 18:40 +0100
        Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 19:30 +0100
          Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-19 21:10 +0100
            Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 22:40 +0100
              Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-20 21:00 +0100
                Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-21 00:00 +0100
                Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" "James P. Wallen" <jpwallen@comcast.net> - 2016-11-21 00:20 +0100
                Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2016-11-23 12:30 +0100
                Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-11-23 13:00 +0100
                Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-11-23 15:10 +0100
                Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-24 19:30 +0100
            Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-24 21:50 +0100
      Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-11-19 18:10 +0100
        Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-19 18:50 +0100
      Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 19:20 +0100
        Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-19 20:50 +0100
          Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 22:30 +0100
            Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-12-04 20:00 +0100
              Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-06 04:10 +0100
    Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 19:10 +0100
      Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 23:30 +0100
  Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-03 19:20 +0100
    Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-03 20:20 +0100
      Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-03 21:20 +0100
        Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 12:50 +0100
          Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-12-04 16:00 +0100
            Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 16:50 +0100
            Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-06 04:00 +0100
              Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-07 00:50 +0100
                Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-07 02:50 +0100
                Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2016-12-07 09:00 +0100
                Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-07 16:20 +0100
      Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-12-03 21:30 +0100
        Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-03 21:40 +0100
          Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 00:40 +0100
            Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-06 04:10 +0100
              Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 06:40 +0100
        Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2016-12-04 02:00 +0100
          Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-04 06:40 +0100

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