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| From | Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" |
| Date | 2016-11-19 15:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sFeY9-68F-7@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | <sF2Nj-6zZ-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| Organization | linux.* mail to news gateway |
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016, Jape Person wrote: > What about hplip? Doesn't inclusion of the hp-setup program in hplip sort of > violate the spirit of having only FOSS in the main repository when executing No, it doesn't violate the spirit. HPLIP is FLOSS, including the hp-setup program itself. The binary blob is minor funcionality as far as HPLIP usage is concerned (although it isn't minor functionality for the unfortunate onwers of the subset of HP devices that require the binary blob to work). Now, if HPLIP was composed only of the hp-setup program, *and* hp-setup was only good for downloading/interfacing to the binary blob in the first place (as far as I recall, it does more than that), it would be "contrib" material (instead of Debian main material). That is not true, however. So, HPLIP belongs in Debian main. A package in main cannot build packages for contrib or non-free (and vice-versa), and it doesn't make sense to duplicate the entire HPLIP *source* package just to have a neutered-by-patching hp-setup utility in main, and a complete one in contrib. > it will result in installation of a proprietary blob? I just ran it as a Well, Debian is not in the business of neutering software to remove support for binary blobs[1]. There are Linux distros that cather for that market, though, such as Linux-Libre. [1] We don't distribute such blobs in Debian main, but software in main may make use of such blobs when available -- such as the Linux kernel. And while the blobs would go in non-free if their license permits that much, the software that downloads or uses it may go in contrib, non-free or even Debian main, depending a _lot_ on the specific details. > I've been pretty ill and not paying careful attention to the list for a long > time now. has this already been discussed? If so, didn't find any pertinent > threads. Yes, it was. Somewhat recently, too. I don't recall the thread, though. > This seems to be a step backward in HP's technical support for open source > software. I'm disappointed. HP's printer division is nowadays very different from the one you might know from a decade ago. You might want to inform yourself better about their recent attempts at ink cartridge lockdown, for example. Basically, if an HP printer is not a high-end model that has a software-driver-less network port that can take PDF/1A directly using the IPP protocol natively, I wouldn't recommend it. If it does, I'd still recommend that you get yourself informed about its operational costs (ink/toner, replacement fusers and periodic maintenance kit) first -- but that is valid for any printer vendor. > So, does anyone know of a laser MFP (or a separate laser printer and > scanner) which I can hook up to my network (preferably wirelessly) and use > in Debian testing without violating my planned avoidance of proprietary > software and drivers? I'd like to know that, too. I need a new home color printer, my 10-year-old HP PhotoSmart (blobless) MFP has finally broken down and good second-hand parts are not easy to find in Brazil :-( -- Henrique Holschuh
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hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 02:40 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-19 12:50 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 19:00 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2016-11-19 15:40 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-19 17:00 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2016-11-19 17:40 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-19 18:40 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 19:30 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-19 21:10 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 22:40 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-20 21:00 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-21 00:00 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" "James P. Wallen" <jpwallen@comcast.net> - 2016-11-21 00:20 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2016-11-23 12:30 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-11-23 13:00 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-11-23 15:10 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-24 19:30 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-24 21:50 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-11-19 18:10 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-19 18:50 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 19:20 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-19 20:50 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 22:30 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-12-04 20:00 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-06 04:10 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 19:10 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-11-21 23:30 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-03 19:20 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-03 20:20 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-03 21:20 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 12:50 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-12-04 16:00 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-04 16:50 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-06 04:00 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-07 00:50 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-07 02:50 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2016-12-07 09:00 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-07 16:20 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-12-03 21:30 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-03 21:40 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 00:40 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-06 04:10 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 06:40 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2016-12-04 02:00 +0100
Re: hplip and use of the "driver plugin" Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2016-12-04 06:40 +0100
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