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Re: [OT]: May Day

From Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: [OT]: May Day
Date 2016-05-02 20:20 +0200
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On 02.05.2016 19:05, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Haines Brown wrote:
>>> Incidentally, I'm not suggesting that FOSS is crypto-socialist.
> Piyavkin wrote:
>> No, but it is new growing relations of production.
> It's in no way crypto, but quite near to the vision of Karl Marx in the
> 19th century. He expected it to happen for classic economy after
> socialism succeeded and evolved into true communism.
>
> Google found me a nice summary in german language:
>    http://stattkapitalismus.blogsport.de/2008/11/12/665jeder-nach-seinen-faehigkeiten-jedem-nach-seinen-beduerfnissen/
> which is obviously by a person not aware of free software.
> It quotes Marx' book "Das Kapital", 1867:
> "Stellen wir uns endlich, zur Abwechslung, einen Verein freier Menschen
>   vor, ..."
> which i translate as:
> "Let us imagine finally, just for a change, a club of free humans, who
>   work with commonly used means of production and self-confidently spend
>   their many individual powers of work as a united work effort for society.
>   [...] The result of the club's work is a product of society.
>   In part it serves in turn as means of production. Another part is
>   consumed by the members as subsistence."
>
> He did not imagine highly valuable objects which can be copied at
> nearly no cost and can be used by affordable means. He only predicts that
> the relation between production and consumption will change but then goes
> on to describe a non-communist structure of work merits and right to
> consume.
> In our world, even Linus Torvalds gets more from GNU/Linux than he gave.
>
> Marx also did not imagine that a (from his view) ideal society would emerge
> on top of capitalism rather than replacing it.

Have you said «Karl Marx»?!.. Oh, no!.. Lisi will get you! )


If be serious, such changes are going on not only in software industry. 
And I don't think it'll be finished even in the near future which may be 
surprising in the end. That is a long and incremental process. But it is 
a huge subject to discuss in an OT thread in a mail list. Such subjects 
should be debated in form of articles in academic manner, I believe [but 
try to rise the subject in an economics community, and their political 
police will get you too].
Though it may be interesting for you to look also at the Schumpeter's 
theory of development. He's usually considered as an opponent to Marx, 
but their theories in fact pretty complimentary.

> In real life i do not get my food for free. Housing is expensive.
> Even the preconditions for linuxing cost monthly money.
> But during my life there were only a few months of what i'd call work.
> I earn my keep by selling myself doing my favorite sports.
> Nevertheless i am aware that i am swimming as grease drop on a watery soup
> of hardship and boredom.

Why don't you consider prof sport activity as a labour? Especially if 
you earn by that. What's the sports, by the way?

As to hardship and boredom: first is an objective condition, second is a 
subjective attitude and, in my view, should be avoided as deadly sin 
whatever situation you happened to be in. Life is too damn short to be 
bored.

> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>

Best wishes to you too!


Best regards,
Dmitry Piyavkin

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[OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 20:50 +0200
  Re: [OT]: May Day Hans Vogelsberger <li.vog@schwaz.net> - 2016-05-01 14:40 +0200
    Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> - 2016-05-01 15:10 +0200
    Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 15:30 +0200
      Re: [OT]: May Day Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2016-05-01 18:20 +0200
        Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 19:10 +0200
          Re: [OT]: May Day Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 19:20 +0200
            Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 19:50 +0200
              Re: [OT]: May Day Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 20:00 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 01:30 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 15:30 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-03 15:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 15:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Glenn Holmer <cenbe@kolabnow.com> - 2016-05-03 15:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 18:30 +0200
              Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 20:10 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-05-01 20:20 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 21:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 22:00 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 23:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-05-02 00:00 +0200
        Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:20 +0200
    Re: [OT]: May Day Haines Brown <haines@histomat.net> - 2016-05-01 20:30 +0200
      Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:20 +0200
        Re: [OT]: May Day "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-05-02 18:10 +0200
          Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 20:20 +0200
            Re: [OT]: May Day "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-05-02 21:10 +0200
    Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:10 +0200
      Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:20 +0200
        Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 19:40 +0200
          Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-02 19:50 +0200
            Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 20:40 +0200
              Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-02 22:00 +0200
          Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-05-02 20:30 +0200
            Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-02 22:00 +0200
              Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-05-03 01:00 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 14:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-03 15:10 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 15:30 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-05-03 20:40 +0200

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