Re: [OT]: May Day

From	"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: [OT]: May Day
Date	2016-05-02 18:10 +0200
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Hi,

Haines Brown wrote:
> > Incidentally, I'm not suggesting that FOSS is crypto-socialist.

Piyavkin wrote:
> No, but it is new growing relations of production.

It's in no way crypto, but quite near to the vision of Karl Marx in the
19th century. He expected it to happen for classic economy after
socialism succeeded and evolved into true communism.

Google found me a nice summary in german language:
http://stattkapitalismus.blogsport.de/2008/11/12/665jeder-nach-seinen-faehigkeiten-jedem-nach-seinen-beduerfnissen/
which is obviously by a person not aware of free software.
It quotes Marx' book "Das Kapital", 1867:
"Stellen wir uns endlich, zur Abwechslung, einen Verein freier Menschen
vor, ..."
which i translate as:
"Let us imagine finally, just for a change, a club of free humans, who
work with commonly used means of production and self-confidently spend
their many individual powers of work as a united work effort for society.
[...] The result of the club's work is a product of society.
In part it serves in turn as means of production. Another part is
consumed by the members as subsistence."

He did not imagine highly valuable objects which can be copied at
nearly no cost and can be used by affordable means. He only predicts that
the relation between production and consumption will change but then goes
on to describe a non-communist structure of work merits and right to
consume.
In our world, even Linus Torvalds gets more from GNU/Linux than he gave.

Marx also did not imagine that a (from his view) ideal society would emerge
on top of capitalism rather than replacing it.

In real life i do not get my food for free. Housing is expensive.
Even the preconditions for linuxing cost monthly money.
But during my life there were only a few months of what i'd call work.
I earn my keep by selling myself doing my favorite sports.
Nevertheless i am aware that i am swimming as grease drop on a watery soup
of hardship and boredom.

Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Thread

[OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 20:50 +0200
  Re: [OT]: May Day Hans Vogelsberger <li.vog@schwaz.net> - 2016-05-01 14:40 +0200
    Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> - 2016-05-01 15:10 +0200
    Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 15:30 +0200
      Re: [OT]: May Day Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2016-05-01 18:20 +0200
        Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 19:10 +0200
          Re: [OT]: May Day Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 19:20 +0200
            Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 19:50 +0200
              Re: [OT]: May Day Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 20:00 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 01:30 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 15:30 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-03 15:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 15:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Glenn Holmer <cenbe@kolabnow.com> - 2016-05-03 15:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 18:30 +0200
              Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 20:10 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-05-01 20:20 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 21:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 22:00 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 23:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-05-02 00:00 +0200
        Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:20 +0200
    Re: [OT]: May Day Haines Brown <haines@histomat.net> - 2016-05-01 20:30 +0200
      Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:20 +0200
        Re: [OT]: May Day "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-05-02 18:10 +0200
          Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 20:20 +0200
            Re: [OT]: May Day "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2016-05-02 21:10 +0200
    Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:10 +0200
      Re: [OT]: May Day Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:20 +0200
        Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 19:40 +0200
          Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-02 19:50 +0200
            Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 20:40 +0200
              Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-02 22:00 +0200
          Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-05-02 20:30 +0200
            Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-02 22:00 +0200
              Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-05-03 01:00 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 14:40 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-03 15:10 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 15:30 +0200
                Re: [OT]: May Day Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2016-05-03 20:40 +0200

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