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Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app

From Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app
Date 2021-01-13 16:08 +0000
Organization NOYB
Message-ID <rtn9en.8ec.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> (permalink)
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Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> "Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
> 
> |  Look at your own situation. You say "I've never used any of it". So
> | what if one or more of your contacts switch from e-mail to some IM
> | platform (after all, both are 'messaging')? Would you be willing to
> | 'switch'
> 
>   It's not about switching media. I've never used IM.
> That has nothing to do with email.

  My point is that it - IM and hence WhatsApp - *does* have to do with
e-mail. They're both (text) messaging. That one is - more - 'instant'
than the other is not a main difference, they're still text messaging.
(One can be 'slow' on IM and 'fast on e-mail.)

  Yes, these days IM can do more than text, but text is where it started
and - at least for WhatsApp in NL/EU/Europe - text is still the main
use.

>    I do use Zoom a bit. If someone asked me to use
> another video chat I'd be happy to switch, as long as
> it would work on my system. Facetime would be ruled
> out because I don't use Macs. Skype? Why not? If
> it works I don't care.
> 
>    As I said, I've only seen WhatsApp used for phone video
> chat. I don't see any problem with using a different app
> for that. You don't need any extended switching. Only
> the person you're going to call with needs to switch.

  We are somewhat on different pages, you talk mainly about video+voice,
I talk mainly about text.

  But the same problem remains: How is the person you're going to call
supposed to know *which* video+voice platform you're going to use? You
need a 'back channel' (phone, SMS, e-mail, <whatever>) for that. And you
need to convince your counterpart to use your platform or switch to hir
platform. With all these different platforms, it's a royal mess. Of
course not for very occasional use with one or a few people. But for
general use with many/most/nearly_all people? No way!

  Again, compare it to having tens of incompatible e-mail systems. Or
any other type of system for that matter (phone, road, train :-), power
:-), etc., etc. ad infinitum).

>   But maybe you use WhatsApp in a way I'm not familiar
> with? If you use it a lot, with a lot of people, then I
> can see how it would be hard to make a clean break.

  Yes, 'we' use it a lot. People would only switch if they had to, i.e.
WhatsApp being shutdown.

> I remember when people started hating Facebook and
> the biggest complaint about quitting was: "But I wouldn't be
> able to find out about parties!"
>
>   So that's a case where a kind of chatting app had
> turned into an indispensible switchboard for peoples'
> entire social lives.

  AFAIC, Facebook is a totally different kettle of fish. Facebook is
'social media' (FSVSVO 'social'). WhatsApp is 'instant messaging'. Not
that you can't be social on WhatsApp - I've been told you can even be
'social' on NetNews/Usenet :-) -, but WhatsApp (and the likes) is
primarily instant messaging.

>   It's hard to for to be informed about these things. I
> don't use them and they change a lot. Phones, in
> general, are hard for me to keep up with. The assumption
> that everyone has a phone has become widespread very
> quickly. This week I went to the chiropractor. When I
> arrived they said I was supposed to call from outside!
> Down the street I was browsing a real estate dealer's
> window, because I was early for my chiropractor appt.
> The listings had photos but no longer have any info.
> You're supposed to scan a q-code through the window
> if you want to know more!

  Yep, we are The Borg! You *will* be assimilated!

  But count yourself lucky. We can't go the chiropractor in our current
lockdown (which will last for at least another 4 weeks).

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WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-07 19:25 +0000
  Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app  Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-07 19:32 +0000
    Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-10 14:18 +0000
      Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2021-01-11 21:47 +0100
        Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-11 19:25 -0500
          Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-12 01:48 +0000
            Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-12 02:31 +0000
          Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-12 17:02 +0100
            Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-12 14:32 -0500
            Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-12 22:03 +0100
              Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-13 10:26 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-13 16:12 +0100
          Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-12 20:07 +0000
            Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-12 22:06 +0100
            Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-12 16:12 -0500
              Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-13 15:02 +0000
            Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-12 19:49 -0500
              Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-13 14:06 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-13 10:29 -0500
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-13 16:08 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-13 12:37 -0500
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-13 19:52 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2021-01-13 18:11 -0500
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 16:20 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-14 17:27 -0500
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 23:48 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 16:18 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 03:36 +1100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 21:22 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2021-01-14 09:41 -0800
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-14 20:16 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-14 15:43 -0500
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 23:09 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 22:54 -0800
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 19:26 +1100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-15 09:33 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 18:32 -0800
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-16 09:56 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-15 09:32 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 23:20 -0800
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 13:24 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-15 15:41 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 21:30 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-14 20:37 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-14 17:14 -0500
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-14 13:22 -0500
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 21:34 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-13 09:44 -0700
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-13 12:42 -0500
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-13 13:49 -0700
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-13 12:52 -0500
            Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-13 02:36 +0000
              Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-13 16:16 +0100
        Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-12 01:36 +0000
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            Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-12 15:38 +0000
              Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> - 2021-01-14 21:12 +0100
        Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-12 16:57 +0100
          Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-12 22:08 +0100
            Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-13 02:36 +0000
              Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-13 22:41 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-13 13:44 -0800
            Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-13 22:38 +0100
              Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 02:51 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Savageduck <savageduck1@removespam.me.com> - 2021-01-13 20:31 -0600
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> - 2021-01-14 08:06 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 15:35 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-14 14:51 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 14:33 +1100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 14:34 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 03:29 +1100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 22:59 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-14 16:43 -0800
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-15 03:33 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-15 16:03 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-16 05:55 +1100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 13:28 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 14:51 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-14 15:16 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 19:56 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-14 13:55 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-14 15:12 +0000
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2021-01-14 16:29 -0500
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-14 17:26 -0500
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 23:38 +0100
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-14 20:22 -0500
                Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-15 03:38 +0100
          Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2021-01-13 22:54 +0100

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