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Re: worldwide internet threat map

Subject	Re: worldwide internet threat map
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
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From	Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk>
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Date	2018-10-05 18:48 +0100

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On 05/10/18 17:19, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 00:47:21 +0100, Tom Gardner
> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 04/10/18 23:08, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 5:38:35 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>>> On 04/10/18 16:52, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 11:04:47 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/03/2018 11:12 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're living in the dark ages of computing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet already bumping up against physical/quantum mechanical limits of
>>>>>> CMOS feature size!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> C++ has improved in its modern incarnations and there are other newer
>>>>>>>> compiled languages that claim to offer the speed of C plus no undefined
>>>>>>>> behavior/automatic enforcement of secure coding practices. it'll take
>>>>>>>> time for this stuff to filter down, though. A lot of shit code has
>>>>>>>> already been released.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But there's no reasonable way to verify any modern piece of compute
>>>>>>>> hardware or non-trivial software is utterly 100% un-exploitable and
>>>>>>>> semantically correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We'd need to have a modern architecture to try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well the graveyard of tech biz history is littered with companies who
>>>>>> developed the One True Architecture or the One True OS the usual result
>>>>>> being nobody ever used it for anything. :(
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> c is now 46 years old. Windows was introduced 35 years ago. x86 is 39
>>>>> years old and was obsolete the day it was introduced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Practically nobody here seems to be willing to consider that things
>>>>> will ever change... and not just about computing. People with that
>>>>> mindset can hardly be expected to design anything interesting, and
>>>>> don't.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, now those are /completely/ different claims from your
>>>> others about it being easy to solve the halting problem.
>>>>
>>>> I most certainly agree with all of those assertions. Indeed,
>>>> when I returned to dabbling in embedded systems after 20
>>>> years working "on the dark side", I was simultaneously
>>>> delighted and horrified at how little had changed since
>>>> the mid 80s.
>>>>
>>>> But there are rays of hope. There are a few better
>>>> languages (especially ones which are less of a
>>>> mismatch with multicore processors), and better
>>>> multicore processors with decent inter-processor comms
>>>> facilities.
>>>>
>>>> But too many people have the "C can do everything and
>>>> is the best that can be done" attitude.
>>>
>>> Not people who have learned Forth.
>>
>> Interesting observation of Java and C/C++.
>>
>> The people that originated and defined Java repeatedly
>> referred to lessons learned in many other languages.
>> (e.g. see Gosling's 1996 white paper).
>>
>> The people that define C/C++ repeatedly refer to papers
>> about C/C++, as if it was the only thing that existed.
>>
>> Such myopia is revealing and worrying.
> 
> I never programmed Pascal, but pseudocode-based and interpreted
> languages (like Python) are a lot safer than running machine code on
> existing architectures.
> 
> I kind of like Python, because it's a lot like Basic.

I toyed with Pascal, and regarded it as a variant of Algol60.

I programmed in C from 82(ish) onwards.

I used Smalltalk professionally starting in 1986, was delighted
with it capabilities in a way I never was with LISP nor Prolog.
Clearly OOP/OOD was The Way Forward.

Objective-C I quite liked, C++ I loathed.

Modula, Delphi I regarded as me-too copies, and obviously C#
is Java without the security, and with a different runtime
strategy.

Python is OK, but a bit of a mish-mash. I'm wary that
accidentally changing a few whitespace characters will
change my program (remember the difference between tab
and spaces in makefiles?)

For /hard/ realtime multicore embedded systems, my current
preference is xC, since that builds on 40 years of solid
theory and experience in a way no other environment does
(or even /can/ do).

By and large, I've made few mistakes in selecting which
languages to study and ignore.

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worldwide internet threat map TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 11:18 +0100
  Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-02 07:07 -0700
    Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-02 08:45 -0700
    Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-02 09:18 -0700
      Re: worldwide internet threat map Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:22 +0000
        Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-02 10:28 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-02 15:19 -0400
        Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-02 14:59 -0400
        Re: worldwide internet threat map Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2018-10-03 14:32 -0500
      Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-02 14:51 -0700
        Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-02 23:29 +0100
          Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-02 17:58 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-02 18:08 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-02 19:09 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-02 19:17 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map boB <boB@K7IQ.com> - 2018-10-02 21:17 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map boB <boB@K7IQ.com> - 2018-10-02 23:25 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-03 01:00 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 03:21 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 05:37 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-03 10:26 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-03 05:42 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-03 10:40 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 01:07 +0100
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2018-10-03 14:44 -0500
              Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-03 17:27 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 10:50 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-04 11:38 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 12:11 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 01:03 +0100
              Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-03 17:14 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 10:47 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-04 08:40 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 08:48 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 22:32 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 15:07 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 00:44 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 08:47 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 17:14 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 12:04 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 20:22 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 13:17 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-05 14:28 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-06 00:17 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-05 16:53 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 12:08 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-03 00:52 -0400
        Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-02 18:30 -0400
        Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-03 10:23 +0100
          Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 05:44 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-03 07:04 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-03 08:29 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 10:59 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map boB <boB@K7IQ.com> - 2018-10-03 14:06 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Bert Hickman <bert-hickman@comcast.net> - 2018-10-03 17:20 -0500
                Re: worldwide internet threat map boB <boB@K7IQ.com> - 2018-10-04 00:07 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-03 12:53 -0400
              Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-03 10:20 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-03 20:36 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-03 20:12 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-03 20:26 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 10:53 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 11:04 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-04 08:52 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 13:01 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 13:06 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 13:10 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 10:27 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 20:27 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 20:55 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-04 18:03 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 21:04 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 08:55 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-05 16:12 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 14:00 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-06 06:03 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 09:22 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-06 18:48 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Neon John <no@never.com> - 2018-10-06 21:17 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-07 08:22 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-07 08:54 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Neon John <no@never.com> - 2018-10-07 11:56 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 17:18 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 14:04 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 23:41 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-05 15:47 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 00:05 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-05 16:12 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-06 00:24 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2018-10-06 12:57 +1000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 08:19 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2018-10-06 22:21 +1000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 09:31 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-06 09:39 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 10:45 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 08:13 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 09:02 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 09:40 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 11:26 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 11:27 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-06 18:48 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-09 11:26 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-09 07:07 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-09 07:19 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2018-10-09 17:11 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-09 09:53 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-09 20:27 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-09 17:32 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-10 18:03 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-10 18:25 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Chris <c@b.a> - 2018-10-11 11:29 +1100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-05 14:47 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 10:47 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-04 18:45 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 19:35 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 08:04 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 09:08 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 18:16 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-05 19:24 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-05 16:55 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Neon John <no@never.com> - 2018-10-05 14:50 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-09 10:42 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-09 07:10 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-09 17:27 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-04 18:30 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 21:00 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 21:03 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 10:10 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 22:38 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 15:08 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 00:47 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 09:19 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 18:48 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 14:08 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 09:15 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 18:55 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 14:12 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-05 14:37 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 00:01 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 23:18 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 09:52 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 10:53 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 20:29 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-09 08:33 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 11:18 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 11:20 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-05 19:35 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 05:24 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-06 06:53 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-04 18:12 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 19:04 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 09:22 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-05 09:27 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-05 19:45 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-05 19:44 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 17:00 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-03 20:42 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-03 18:31 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 09:23 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-04 09:06 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 17:49 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 10:14 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 10:55 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 01:10 +0100
        Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 13:13 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-03 13:47 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 09:26 +0100
        Re: worldwide internet threat map Neon John <no@never.com> - 2018-10-04 10:22 -0400
          Re: worldwide internet threat map makolber@yahoo.com - 2018-10-04 08:16 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 08:44 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 17:15 +0100
          Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-04 09:14 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-04 09:31 -0700
        Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-04 07:51 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-04 08:27 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-04 09:57 -0700
      Re: worldwide internet threat map Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2018-10-03 14:29 -0500
        Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 13:11 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2018-10-03 13:33 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 16:02 -0700
  Re: worldwide internet threat map Cows are Nice <nice@cows.moo> - 2018-10-03 21:49 -0700

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