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Re: worldwide internet threat map

Subject	Re: worldwide internet threat map
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From	Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk>
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Date	2018-10-05 20:22 +0100

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On 05/10/18 20:04, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 17:14:01 +0100, Tom Gardner
> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 05/10/18 16:47, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 22:32:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/10/18 16:40, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 10:47:55 +0100, Tom Gardner
>>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/10/18 01:14, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 01:03:20 +0100, Tom Gardner
>>>>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 03/10/18 01:58, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 23:29:01 +0100, Tom Gardner
>>>>>>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 02/10/18 22:51, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:18:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 07:07:33 -0700, John Larkin
>>>>>>>>>>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 11:18:56 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For anyone that is interested:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://threatmap.checkpoint.com/ThreatPortal/livemap.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If threats can be tracked, why can't they be blocked? The internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should not transport malware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because most such attacks come from hijacked PC's.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A bit of added compute power in the network could snoop packets and
>>>>>>>>>>> apply some artificial intelligence to kill the bad stuff. Things like
>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Things like that" have another name: "magic", as in
>>>>>>>>>> "this is the point at which magic is invoked".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why not apply antivirus technology to the entire Net? Don't transport
>>>>>>>>> bad packets, or any packets from malware-sprouting IP addresses.
>>>>>>>>> That's not magic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's merely changed the magic incantation from
>>>>>>>> one form to another - without solving anything.
>>>>>>>> (And adding the issue of doing it on the fly
>>>>>>>> without increasing latency)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apply compute power. Add a millisecond to every packet transported.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spoken like a true hardware engineer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As someone else noted, solving this problem is equivalent
>>>>>> to solving the halting problem. The world will beat a
>>>>>> path to your door when you have done that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alternatively, partly solving the problem is akin to
>>>>>> having pattern-sensitive behaviour in hardware. If
>>>>>> you did that with the 'net, the world would beat a
>>>>>> path to your door for a different reason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Bad packet" is equivalent to "bad subroutine call"
>>>>>>>> or "bad memory address".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why not merely "identify the bad subroutine calls"
>>>>>>>> or bad "memory locations"? The antivirus industry is
>>>>>>>> highly competitive, and has been addressing such
>>>>>>>> issues for decades.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I leave it to you to decide how well that industry
>>>>>>>> has (not) succeeded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A good AV usually works, but you have to install it, and keep it
>>>>>>> updated, and trust it, and it slows things down quite a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So that is a concrete illustration of how imperfect
>>>>>> your proposed magic is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enough people aren't protected that their PCs (and webcams, and
>>>>>>> thermostats, and light bulbs) can be botnet slaves. Using Chinese
>>>>>>> electronics sure doesn't help that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed. It is a real problem and will get worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> And everyone here seems resigned, or maybe happy, about that.
>>>>
>>>> The people that understand the problems are far from happy,
>>>> since they know how intractable the problem is.
>>>>
>>>> On this topic, your technical arguments and presumptions
>>>> are about as valid as a software engineer claiming that
>>>> it is easy to make hardware because all you have to do
>>>> is throw lots of gates and lots of very fast opamps at
>>>> the problem.
>>>
>>> I wrote three preemptive RTOSs and a few compilers; I independently
>>> invented and deployed Token Ring, maybe before IBM did. I'm not just a
>>> hardware jock, although I find hardware design to be more fun than
>>> coding. I built and managed timeshare systems that were a lot more
>>> secure than most of what's in use now. We sold time to some high
>>> schools who were serious rivals, and they spent time trying to hack
>>> one another.
>>
>> My mistake.
>>
>>
>>> DEC did memory management right. So did Motorola. IBM
>>> picked the wrong CPU and the wrong OS source.
>>
>> I've never liked the 8088 (etc) family, always
>> preferring others.
>>
>> Having said that, the cache problems are a side effect
>> of the speed-at-all-costs benchmarketing compulsions.
>> They are an artefact of the implementation, and are not
>> fundamental to the 8088 (etc!) architecture.
> 
> Then people run anti-virus programs that waste all that speed.
> 
> 
>>
>>
>>>> Similarly mech engs get tired of people thinking that
>>>> you can build anything from sheet metal, wire coat
>>>> hangers, and string.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> They probably miss steam powered sawmills and gas lighting.
>>>>
>>>> Now you're being silly.
>>>
>>> What's silly is than nobody here, except me so far, will even consider
>>> new ideas about internet security. Or new ideas about most anything.
>>>
>>> Are my ideas stupid? Suggest something better. Playing around with
>>> ideas is how design happens.
>>
>> Better ideas that what? I'm not aware you have posted any
>> concrete ideas here.
> 
> 
> ISP packet snooping and bad-guy protections at the network level.

Details are necessary to see how the halting problem is avoided.


> Multiprocessor architectures with local cache 

All modern multiprocessors either avoid the need for caches
or have multiple levels of such caches.

The caches are not scaleable beyond a few processors.
Basically the cache coherence traffic and latency becomes
the limiting factor.

There are some programming paradigms that minimise the
problems (especially message passing), but they are
relatively unknown and of principal value to only some
applications.

I believe MPC will become a dominant paradigm over the
coming decades, but I will be dead before then!

None of that is new. As usual, the High Performance
Computing brigade is pushing the limits of what is
possible in as many directions as they can.

Research their experiences to understand the current
pain points.


 > and serious hardware protections.

It needs to be improved.
It won't be improved in cost-sensitive applications.
Even when improved, it won't solve the problem.

Today's example of the problem is that next Tuesday's Windows10
update appears to delete use files.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/05/windows_10_wipes_files/

Would your proposed concept therefore interfere with the
transmission of the updates? What /will/ they trust?


> Better instruction set architectures and memory management hardware.

See CAP processors, XMOS xCORE/xC.


> Interpreters or pseudocode compilers to avoid running downloaded
> machine code applications on buggy Intel chips. In both cases, the
> runtime system could be standardized and safe.

That deals with some classes of problem, but not others.

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worldwide internet threat map TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 11:18 +0100
  Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-02 07:07 -0700
    Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-02 08:45 -0700
    Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-02 09:18 -0700
      Re: worldwide internet threat map Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:22 +0000
        Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-02 10:28 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-02 15:19 -0400
        Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-02 14:59 -0400
        Re: worldwide internet threat map Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2018-10-03 14:32 -0500
      Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-02 14:51 -0700
        Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-02 23:29 +0100
          Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-02 17:58 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-02 18:08 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-02 19:09 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-02 19:17 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map boB <boB@K7IQ.com> - 2018-10-02 21:17 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map boB <boB@K7IQ.com> - 2018-10-02 23:25 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-03 01:00 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 03:21 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 05:37 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-03 10:26 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-03 05:42 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-03 10:40 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 01:07 +0100
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2018-10-03 14:44 -0500
              Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-03 17:27 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 10:50 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-04 11:38 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 12:11 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 01:03 +0100
              Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-03 17:14 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 10:47 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-04 08:40 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 08:48 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 22:32 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 15:07 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 00:44 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 08:47 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 17:14 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 12:04 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 20:22 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 13:17 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-05 14:28 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-06 00:17 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-05 16:53 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 12:08 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-03 00:52 -0400
        Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-02 18:30 -0400
        Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-03 10:23 +0100
          Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 05:44 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-03 07:04 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-03 08:29 -0700
              Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 10:59 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map boB <boB@K7IQ.com> - 2018-10-03 14:06 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Bert Hickman <bert-hickman@comcast.net> - 2018-10-03 17:20 -0500
                Re: worldwide internet threat map boB <boB@K7IQ.com> - 2018-10-04 00:07 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-03 12:53 -0400
              Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-03 10:20 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-03 20:36 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-03 20:12 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-03 20:26 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 10:53 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 11:04 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-04 08:52 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 13:01 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 13:06 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 13:10 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 10:27 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 20:27 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 20:55 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-04 18:03 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 21:04 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 08:55 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-05 16:12 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 14:00 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-06 06:03 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 09:22 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-06 18:48 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Neon John <no@never.com> - 2018-10-06 21:17 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-07 08:22 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-07 08:54 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Neon John <no@never.com> - 2018-10-07 11:56 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 17:18 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 14:04 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 23:41 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-05 15:47 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 00:05 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-05 16:12 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-06 00:24 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2018-10-06 12:57 +1000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 08:19 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2018-10-06 22:21 +1000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 09:31 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-06 09:39 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 10:45 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 08:13 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 09:02 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 09:40 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 11:26 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 11:27 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-06 18:48 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-09 11:26 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-09 07:07 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-09 07:19 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2018-10-09 17:11 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-09 09:53 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-09 20:27 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-09 17:32 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-10 18:03 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-10 18:25 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Chris <c@b.a> - 2018-10-11 11:29 +1100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-05 14:47 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 10:47 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-04 18:45 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 19:35 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 08:04 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 09:08 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 18:16 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-05 19:24 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2018-10-05 16:55 +0000
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Neon John <no@never.com> - 2018-10-05 14:50 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-09 10:42 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-09 07:10 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-09 17:27 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-04 18:30 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 21:00 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-04 21:03 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 10:10 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 22:38 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 15:08 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 00:47 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 09:19 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 18:48 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 14:08 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 09:15 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 18:55 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-05 14:12 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-05 14:37 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 00:01 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 23:18 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 09:52 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 10:53 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 20:29 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-09 08:33 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 11:18 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-06 11:20 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-05 19:35 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 05:24 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-06 06:53 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-04 18:12 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 19:04 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-05 09:22 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-05 09:27 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-05 19:45 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-05 19:44 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 17:00 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bitrex <user@example.net> - 2018-10-03 20:42 -0400
                Re: worldwide internet threat map bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-10-03 18:31 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 09:23 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-04 09:06 -0700
                Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 17:49 +0100
                Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 10:14 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 10:55 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 01:10 +0100
        Re: worldwide internet threat map whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 13:13 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2018-10-03 13:47 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 09:26 +0100
        Re: worldwide internet threat map Neon John <no@never.com> - 2018-10-04 10:22 -0400
          Re: worldwide internet threat map makolber@yahoo.com - 2018-10-04 08:16 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-04 08:44 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-10-04 17:15 +0100
          Re: worldwide internet threat map John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2018-10-04 09:14 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-04 09:31 -0700
        Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-04 07:51 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2018-10-04 08:27 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-04 09:57 -0700
      Re: worldwide internet threat map Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2018-10-03 14:29 -0500
        Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 13:11 -0700
          Re: worldwide internet threat map dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2018-10-03 13:33 -0700
            Re: worldwide internet threat map gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-03 16:02 -0700
  Re: worldwide internet threat map Cows are Nice <nice@cows.moo> - 2018-10-03 21:49 -0700

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