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Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

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On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, Bob Holtzman wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 02:23:08PM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 14:48:56 -0700
> > Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 09:34:05AM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700
> > > > Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >   
> > > > > Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on
> > > > > 15 April 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy.
> > > > > Google, as announced months ago, finally ceased support for
> > > > > its browser on Wheezy.  I double checked just to be sure, and
> > > > > in the course of that check also discovered "official" Debian
> > > > > support for Wheezy will cease in a little over a week on 26
> > > > > April 2016 -- just 3 years after its release.  However, it
> > > > > will automatically enter LTS until 2018 at which time all
> > > > > support ceases and EOL "officially" occurs. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, at least I have time to look for an alternative. Maybe,
> > > > > Devuan will be viable by then, but I doubt it.  Or Debian will
> > > > > offer a choice of inits as a standard option during installs
> > > > > on future releases, but I very much doubt it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > B
> > > > >   
> > > > 
> > > > If you want a rock solid Debian based system with no systemd -
> > > > check out Antix distribution.  
> > > 
> > > There is no mail list, only a forum. It shows systemd in it's
> > > package list. 
> > > 
> > 
> > Available if you want it in the repos - not installed. Read the
> > forum notes, it is designed as non-systemd.
> 
> It may well be designed as non-systemd but the systend package is
> still listed. Why? The lack of a mail list still remains AFAICT.

Certain systemd libraries are dependencies for things like GNOME or
udev. So, even if you're using an init other than systemd's which can
be totally absent from the system, you still need some parts of it
for some things to work. One of the reasons so many disapprove of it.

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Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 00:30 +0200
  Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Paul Trevethan <plist@internode.net> - 2016-04-17 02:00 +0200
    Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 03:00 +0200
      Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 08:20 +0200
        Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:50 +0200
          Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation) Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2016-04-17 14:10 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread  deviation) Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 15:30 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation) "John L. Ries" <jries@salford-systems.com> - 2016-04-18 19:10 +0200
          Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-04-17 14:50 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 15:50 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2016-04-18 09:50 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-04-20 16:30 +0200
        Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 02:10 +0200
          Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 06:50 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 21:10 +0200
    Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-04-17 23:50 +0200
      Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Paul Trevethan <greywolf@internode.net> - 2016-04-18 06:50 +0200
        Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-04-18 18:40 +0200
          Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 02:30 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-04-19 20:30 +0200
  Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Jimmy Johnson <420.christian.single@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 22:10 +0200
    Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 23:50 +0200
      Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 17:10 +0200
    Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 17:10 +0200

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