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Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation)

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I can't speak for anyone else, but I found systemd to be ridiculously counterintuitive and poorly documented when I was first exposed to it.  To this day, the standard GUI configurator for it (systemadm) is so limited as to be nearly useless; and I find hand-configuring a new service to be a major exercise only to be undertaken with several manpages open.  It's better now, but I'm not persuaded that the learning curve was worth the supposed benefits of the new system.
Slackware's old fashioned BSD-style startup scripts are starting to look very attractive to me (I don't have to learn a new language to write or customize them).

On April 17, 2016 6:00:10 AM MDT, Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> wrote:
>On Sunday 17 April 2016 11:48:16 Mark Fletcher wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman <
>> 
>> michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I've never really
>> > liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I
>just
>> > like the simplicity of the init system better.  Admittedly, I may
>well
>> > be undereducated on systemd resulting in my prejudice.
>> 
>> Speaking of prejudice -- question to the list in general -- why the
>vitriol
>> in the linux community about systemd? I read the "I'm changing
>distros
>> because I don't like systemd" type blog posts, and the "Debian devs
>are
>> evil for forcing systemd on us" and so on -- and then I tried it.
>I've even
>> built a LFS system using it. I really, really can't see what the fuss
>is
>> about. Yes, it's complicated, but then init was quite capable of
>confusing
>> the living daylights out of me as well...
>> 
>> It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply
>about
>> "if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am I missing?
>> 
>> Mark
>
>All the pros and cons of system.d have been discussed and ranted about
>here 
>and can be easily found in the archives. I personally don't think that
>it is 
>necessary to go through those discussions again.
>
>Easily one can slip some emotional comment [sigh!] (sic) into a posting
>but it 
>is unnecessary to jump on it - no?
>
>All the best to y'all
>Eike

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Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 00:30 +0200
  Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Paul Trevethan <plist@internode.net> - 2016-04-17 02:00 +0200
    Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 03:00 +0200
      Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 08:20 +0200
        Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:50 +0200
          Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation) Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2016-04-17 14:10 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread  deviation) Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 15:30 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation) "John L. Ries" <jries@salford-systems.com> - 2016-04-18 19:10 +0200
          Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-04-17 14:50 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 15:50 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2016-04-18 09:50 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-04-20 16:30 +0200
        Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 02:10 +0200
          Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 06:50 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 21:10 +0200
    Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-04-17 23:50 +0200
      Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Paul Trevethan <greywolf@internode.net> - 2016-04-18 06:50 +0200
        Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-04-18 18:40 +0200
          Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 02:30 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-04-19 20:30 +0200
  Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Jimmy Johnson <420.christian.single@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 22:10 +0200
    Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 23:50 +0200
      Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 17:10 +0200
    Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 17:10 +0200

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