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Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation)

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On 04/17/2016 07:00 AM, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> On Sunday 17 April 2016 11:48:16 Mark Fletcher wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman <
>>
>> michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I've never really
>>> liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I just
>>> like the simplicity of the init system better.  Admittedly, I may well
>>> be undereducated on systemd resulting in my prejudice.
>> Speaking of prejudice -- question to the list in general -- why the vitriol
>> in the linux community about systemd? I read the "I'm changing distros
>> because I don't like systemd" type blog posts, and the "Debian devs are
>> evil for forcing systemd on us" and so on -- and then I tried it. I've even
>> built a LFS system using it. I really, really can't see what the fuss is
>> about. Yes, it's complicated, but then init was quite capable of confusing
>> the living daylights out of me as well...
>>
>> It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply about
>> "if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am I missing?
>>
>> Mark
> All the pros and cons of system.d have been discussed and ranted about here
> and can be easily found in the archives. I personally don't think that it is
> necessary to go through those discussions again.
>
> Easily one can slip some emotional comment [sigh!] (sic) into a posting but it
> is unnecessary to jump on it - no?
Yeah, IMHO the emotionalism is anti-productive.  I have my opinion and 
my reasons for said opinion, but when emotions become involved in the 
discussion, all real logical consideration of the merits of one system 
over another go out the door.  We should really be trying to get the 
best system we can, whether with init or systemd, and that should be 
based on the merits of the two competing systems, not on opinion and 
emotion.  Both systems work.  Both systems have merit, and I acknowledge 
that my preference for init over systemd my well be due to ignorance 
than anything else.
> All the best to y'all
> Eike
>

-- 
Mike

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Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 00:30 +0200
  Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Paul Trevethan <plist@internode.net> - 2016-04-17 02:00 +0200
    Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 03:00 +0200
      Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 08:20 +0200
        Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:50 +0200
          Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation) Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2016-04-17 14:10 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread  deviation) Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 15:30 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation) "John L. Ries" <jries@salford-systems.com> - 2016-04-18 19:10 +0200
          Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-04-17 14:50 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 15:50 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2016-04-18 09:50 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-04-20 16:30 +0200
        Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 02:10 +0200
          Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 06:50 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 21:10 +0200
    Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-04-17 23:50 +0200
      Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Paul Trevethan <greywolf@internode.net> - 2016-04-18 06:50 +0200
        Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-04-18 18:40 +0200
          Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 02:30 +0200
            Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-04-19 20:30 +0200
  Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Jimmy Johnson <420.christian.single@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 22:10 +0200
    Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 23:50 +0200
      Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 17:10 +0200
    Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 17:10 +0200

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