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Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance?

From Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance?
Date 2020-09-05 06:55 -0400
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Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:

> Clearly, in the 1980s, mainframes ruled the commercial world, at
> least for large companies.
>
> By that time, they had mostly lost the crown of scientific
> calculation to the minis (with the exception of vector computers).
>
> So, when did they lose their dominant commercial position?
>
> At the company I used to work for, they had a home-grown accounting
> system running on mainframes, which they then replaced with an ERP
> system in the late 1990s.  That system didn't need the mainframes
> any more, so they were deactivated.
>
> (You could argue that a company which does that replaces a hardware
> vendor lock with the mother of all software vendor locks.)
>
> Today, some SAP products seem to run on a zSystem, but there is
> no certified hardware for HANA, their high-speed in-memory database,
> for that architecture.  It's only Intel and POWER.
>
> So, when did the mainframes start losing the commercial computing
> centers?  Is around 2000-ish the right timeframe?

We've all probably got our own little peephole that we look at computing
history through.

I remember discussion among my peers about automating dentist offices,
gas stations, etc. there was  a huge untapped market there, but S/360
was priced way out of that market.  Then in the 90s PCs started
to enter that market.  That's when I saw the future of the mainframe.

I'd guess 2000 is about right for the start of significant
movement off the mainframe.  But of course there are plenty of
large companies that are still on mainframes and will remain there
for the foreseeable future.


-- 
Dan Espen

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When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-05 10:12 +0000
  Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 06:55 -0400
    Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-05 11:19 +0000
      Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-05 12:31 +0000
        Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 09:26 -0400
          Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 12:04 -0400
            Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 12:26 -0400
              Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 12:57 -0400
                Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 14:03 -0400
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                Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 16:34 -0400
                Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 17:02 -0400
                Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 17:27 -0400
                Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 20:02 -0400
                Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 21:50 -0400
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          Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-05 17:38 -0700
            Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 21:58 -0400
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    Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-05 16:27 +0000
      Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 12:58 -0400
        Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 13:01 -0400
      Re: When did mainframes lose commercial dominance? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-05 19:38 +0000
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