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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android, alt.cellular |
| Subject | Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls |
| Date | 2020-08-03 11:04 -0700 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <rg9jkd$b8u$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <rg2s01$a12$2@news.mixmin.net> <rg3he8$1p5j$1@gioia.aioe.org> <rg4c05$jfb$1@news.mixmin.net> <rg4fr6$f2a$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
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On 8/1/2020 12:29 PM, badgolferman wrote: <snip> US calls & text and 4GB high-speed data) > > I have T-Mobile One Military with four lines. Same things you mentioned > plus free calls to Canada/Mexico, free SMS to Europe, free 2G data Europe, > Netflix Basic. $102.00 > > I’ve shopped around to the other carriers since T-Mobile sometimes has > spotty coverage but haven’t found it worth it to switch yet, especially > considering the excellent customer service T-Mobile provides. I could also get the military discount on T-Mobile but after trying T-Mobile a few years ago, for a European trip, when we returned to California my family would have left me if I had stayed with T-Mobile! So I confine the military discount usage to Home Depot and Lowe's! Seriously, the T-Mobile coverage in the Bay Area, and in California, is an order of magnitude worse than what is offered on Verizon or AT&T, and every independent survey and test has verified this, "T-Mobile sometimes has spotty coverage" is the understatement of the year in my area! We do a lot of road trips, often traveling through less-populated rural areas, where having Verizon or AT&T is essential. In the Santa Cruz mountains, where we visit often, you can see the vast coverage differences, see <https://photos.app.goo.gl/ckTBkvAFZPagCBx18>. I like cycling in those areas with no T-Mobile coverage, and really would prefer to have coverage! It's the same situation throughout California in more rural, sparsely populated, areas. See <https://www.reviews.org/app/uploads/2020/06/4g-graph.png> which is from <https://www.reviews.org/mobile/best-cell-phone-coverage/>. But that graph doesn't tell the whole story--yes Sprint has very poor native coverage but Sprint had (or has) extensive roaming on Verizon to make up for it, while T-Mobile has been reducing AT&T roaming. Lots of complaints by T-Mobile customers when roaming agreements with AT&T expire and are not renewed. Someday T-Mobile may have equivalent coverage to the top-tier carriers, but it probably won't be in my lifetime unless I live to be 100 years old! When people say that "in a few years T-Mobile will catch up" I'm reminded of the Grand Canyon Flintstones' episode where Wilma sees the tiny stream and says: "So that's the Grand Canyon huh? Hmph, well doesn't look like much to me," and Fred replies: "Not now, but they expect it to be a big thing someday." <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf4pUZPaz5k>. The T-Mobile included 2G foreign data (actually it's just throttled to 2G, it's actually on LTE) was of limited use because of how slow it was. Last year I was in Europe twice (Austria, Germany, Italy) and just bought prepaid SIM cards. I was in China and did the same. On the non-family trips (China and Italy) I was letting other people on the trip, that had T-Mobile, hotspot into my phone or iPad to use my high-speed data because the 2G data was so slow (probably okay for e-mail, but not good for the web or navigation). You can pay T-Mobile extra for limited amounts of foreign high-speed data, but if you have a recent iPhone with eSIM plus physical SIM you're better off using the eSIM for your U.S. carrier and sticking in a prepaid foreign SIM for high-speed data. For my U.S. carrier I have two Total Wireless (Verizon MVNO) three-line plans, at about $85 each. One for my wife and two adult kids, and one for me with three devices, that is reimbursed by my employer. Each plan has 60GB of shared high speed data. TW's 4 line plan has 100GB of shared high speed data (a tad under $100 with tax). I get around 100Mb/s. I find that the shared data works well because the different users use vastly different quantities of data. There is unlimited low-speed data if you use of your high-speed data, but I've never come close to doing that. Hotspot is included (10GB per line). I never understood the obsession with customer service. There is almost never a need to contact a carrier's customer service department once you have established service. Well about ten months ago, on the flight from San Francisco to Milan, I was putting my Vodafone SIM card into my phone and my Total Wireless SIM card went flying, never to be found. When I returned home, a three-minute online chat session had them activate a replacement SIM card that I inserted. Personally I greatly prefer online chat to voice calls because rather than reading out an IMEI or SIN card number you can just type it in. Also, you can ask very specific, succinct questions, that they can't give evasive answers to. I had Consumer Cellular for a while, and they tout their award winning customer service. But I found their customer service frustrating because they had no online chat and they could not give a straight answer to a simple question, regarding international roaming. They have very conflicting information on their web site. Which one is true?: "Consumer Cellular phone will not work beyond the U.S. borders, thus protecting them from any outrageous international roaming fees, which are mostly unregulated and can vary widely." or "Substantial charges may be incurred if your phone is taken out of the U.S. even if no Services are intentionally used." In any case, IMVAIO, all the stuff T-Mobile throws in like a basic Netfliz account, international SMS & low speed data, and free Taco Bell tacos (now ended), are not worth it if you have poor coverage.
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T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-01 04:44 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2020-08-01 10:50 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-01 18:24 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2020-08-01 19:29 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 02:08 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-02 13:19 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-08-02 11:21 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 16:10 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2020-08-02 08:55 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-02 22:08 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2020-08-02 20:29 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 20:57 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 00:04 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 22:43 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 22:08 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 22:03 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 00:03 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 20:43 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 00:05 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 22:43 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-02 13:54 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2020-08-02 16:07 -0500
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2020-08-02 16:16 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-02 16:31 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-02 19:38 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2020-08-02 16:47 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-03 08:37 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-03 12:36 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-03 10:24 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-03 13:41 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 18:21 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-03 17:19 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-03 21:48 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-03 19:27 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 10:05 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-04 08:15 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 12:27 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-04 12:13 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-03 17:13 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-04 03:19 +0000
Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-04 10:10 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-04 14:42 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 18:00 -0400
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-04 15:02 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-05 00:41 +0000
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-05 08:18 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-06 07:15 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-06 10:27 -0400
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2020-08-05 11:34 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-05 14:45 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 18:18 -0400
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2020-08-05 20:28 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-06 07:13 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-06 10:27 -0400
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-06 09:48 -0700
Re: Keeping a phone active at no monthly cost [was: Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls] Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-06 06:24 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2020-08-02 19:16 -0500
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2020-08-02 17:40 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-02 21:56 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2020-08-02 15:56 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 18:40 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 18:02 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 22:05 +0200
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-03 13:12 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 21:12 +0000
Re: Ignoring posts "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-03 23:15 +0200
Re: Ignoring posts Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 21:53 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-03 17:21 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-04 09:51 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 13:07 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2020-08-04 17:56 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 14:09 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-04 23:49 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 00:47 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-05 02:03 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 02:25 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-05 22:02 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 22:08 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-05 21:07 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-06 00:17 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-05 04:50 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 08:13 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-05 14:06 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-05 22:11 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-06 19:08 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-07 08:31 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 11:40 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-07 14:31 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 14:39 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-07 12:56 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 15:59 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-07 16:36 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:47 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-07 17:32 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:29 -0500
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 20:34 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-07 23:52 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:56 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:14 -0500
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 20:21 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:20 -0500
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-08 22:29 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-05 05:30 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 08:48 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-05 18:18 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-05 22:08 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-04 11:35 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 14:41 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-04 12:47 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-04 16:14 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 21:18 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-03 12:47 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-08-03 11:04 -0700
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-03 14:23 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 18:52 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-03 14:54 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 21:44 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-03 18:54 -0400
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2020-08-03 20:18 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-08-03 21:43 +0000
Re: T-Mobile Sprint Merger: Say goodbye to scam calls Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-13 04:55 +0000
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