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Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> wrote:
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/world/europe/coronavirus-spread-asymptomatic.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
> 
> Da geht es um einen frühen Artikel von Münchner Ärzten im NEJM, in dem die
> Ansteckungsgefahr bereits bei asymptomatischen Corona-Infizierten
> beschrieben wurde, nach der Chinedin bei Webasto, und wie sie auf
> politischen Druck aus Berlin dafür angegriffen wurden. Wodurch 2 Monate
> ungenutzt verstrichen sind.
> 
> Äusserst lesenswert.
> 
> That weekend, Andreas Zapf, the head of the Bavarian health authority,
> called Dr. Hoelscher of the Munich clinic. “Look, the people in Berlin are
> very angry about your publication,” Dr. Zapf said, according to Dr.
> Hoelscher.
> 
> He suggested changing the wording of Dr. Rothe’s report and replacing her
> name with those of members of the government task force, Dr. Hoelscher
> said. He refused.
> 
> The health agency would not discuss the phone call.
> 
> Until then, Dr. Hoelscher said, their report had seemed straightforward.
> Now it was clear: “Politically, this was a major, major issue.”
> 
> 

‘A Complete Tsunami’

On Monday, Feb. 3, the journal Science published an article calling Dr.
Rothe’s report “flawed.” Science reported that the Robert Koch Institute
had written to the New England Journal to dispute her findings and correct
an error.

The Robert Koch Institute declined repeated interview requests over several
weeks and did not answer written questions.

Dr. Rothe’s report quickly became a symbol of rushed research. Scientists
said she should have talked to the Chinese patient herself before
publishing, and that the omission had undermined her team’s work. On
Twitter, she and her colleagues were disparaged by scientists and armchair
experts alike.

“It broke over us like a complete tsunami,” Dr. Hoelscher said.

The controversy also overshadowed another crucial development out of
Munich.

The next morning, Dr. Clemens-Martin Wendtner made a startling
announcement. Dr. Wendtner was overseeing treatment of Munich’s Covid-19
patients — there were eight now — and had taken swabs of each.
He discovered the virus in the nose and throat at much higher levels, and
far earlier, than had been observed in SARS patients. That meant it
probably could spread before people knew they were sick.

But the Science story drowned that news out. If Dr. Rothe’s paper had
implied that governments might need to do more against Covid-19, the
pushback from the Robert Koch Institute was an implicit defense of the
conventional thinking.

Sweden’s public health agency declared that Dr. Rothe’s report had
contained major errors. The agency’s website said, unequivocally, that
“there is no evidence that people are infectious during the incubation
period” — an assertion that would remain online in some form for months.

French health officials, too, left no room for debate: “A person is
contagious only when symptoms appear,” a government flyer read. “No
symptoms = no risk of being contagious.”

As Dr. Rothe and Dr. Hoelscher reeled from the criticism, Japanese doctors
were preparing to board the Diamond Princess cruise ship. A former
passenger had tested positive for coronavirus.

Yet on the ship, parties continued. The infected passenger had been off the
ship for days, after all. And he hadn’t reported symptoms while onboard.



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