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Re: memory sizes, mainframe I/O, was CR or LF?

From John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: memory sizes, mainframe I/O, was CR or LF?
Date 2020-06-04 20:53 +0000
Organization Taughannock Networks
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References <r6usbm$8qp$1@dont-email.me> <1EyBG.557272$Xk.555691@fx46.iad> <5ed7eb01.11713392@news.dslextreme.com> <1h8CG.525299$TM6.280020@fx42.iad>

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In article <1h8CG.525299$TM6.280020@fx42.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>I think making the page size only 512 bytes was a big mistake and wasn't forward
>>looking, given the trends of increasingly larger and increasingly less expensive
>>memory.
>
>Although in the late 70's, I'm not sure how evident that trend was...

4K DRAM chips appeared in 1973, 16K DRAM chips in 1974, and chip
densities were doubling every year or two.

IBM's S/370 in the early 1970s had both 2K and 4K pages. The 512 byte
VAX pages were obviously too small at the time.




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John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
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CR or LF? Gareth Evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-04-12 11:59 +0100
  Re: CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-04-12 20:35 +0000
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      Re: CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-04-13 22:16 +0000
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    Re: CR or LF? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-04-12 19:44 -0300
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      Re: CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-04-13 19:03 +0000
        Re: CR or LF? Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 14:12 -0700
          Re: CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-04-13 22:30 +0000
            Re: CR or LF? Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 16:00 -0700
        Re: CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-04-13 21:22 +0000
          Re: CR or LF? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-04-14 09:40 +0000
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    Re: CR or LF? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-04-13 03:32 +0000
    Re: CR or LF? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-04-14 05:26 +0200
  Re: CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-04-12 22:11 -0700
    Re: CR or LF? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-04-13 17:15 +0000
    Re: CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-04-13 16:40 -0700
      Re: CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-04-13 17:29 -0700
        Re: CR or LF? Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 18:18 -0700
          Re: CR or LF? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-04-16 13:40 +0000
            Re: CR or LF? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-04-17 11:00 +0000
              Re: CR or LF? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-04-18 09:56 +0000
        Re: CR or LF? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 21:37 -0400
          Re: CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-04-14 14:51 -0700
        Re: CR or LF? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-04-14 07:45 +0000
          Re: CR or LF? Gareth Evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-04-14 11:38 +0100
            Re: CR or LF? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-04-14 15:28 +0200
            Re: CR or LF? nobody@example.org (Scott) - 2020-04-14 15:27 +0000
              Re: CR or LF? Gareth Evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-04-14 17:37 +0100
                Re: CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-04-14 15:00 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? fred_weigel@hotmail.com - 2020-05-22 17:09 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-05-23 03:37 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-05-23 08:36 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-05-23 05:38 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-05-23 08:58 -0400
                Re: base64, not really CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-05-23 18:42 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-05-23 19:28 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-05-23 20:27 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-05-23 14:30 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@invalid.org> - 2020-05-24 10:21 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-05-24 06:06 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-05-24 10:45 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-05-24 07:03 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-05-24 10:43 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-06-05 22:22 +0100
            Re: CR or LF? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-04-14 17:49 -0300
          Re: CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-04-14 06:29 -0700
            Re: CR or LF? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-04-18 08:42 +0100
              Re: CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-04-18 11:33 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-04-18 19:11 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-04-18 18:32 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-04-19 01:55 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-04-18 20:03 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-04-18 22:44 +0100
                Re: CR or LF? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-04-19 08:46 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-04-19 10:58 +0100
                Re: CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-04-18 22:22 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-04-18 18:55 -0400
                re: CRLF Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-04-18 18:03 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-04-19 08:55 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-04-19 08:16 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-04-19 09:19 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-04-19 10:24 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-04-19 10:47 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-04-20 16:02 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-05-05 16:32 +0100
                Re: CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-04-19 14:54 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-04-19 12:19 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-04-19 10:47 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-04-19 09:26 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2020-04-20 17:40 +0800
                Re: CR or LF? Fred Smith <fred@thejanitor.corp> - 2020-04-20 23:05 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-04-21 06:07 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-04-22 15:08 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-04-22 20:22 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-04-22 19:40 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-04-22 23:23 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-04-23 03:01 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-04-19 10:47 -0700
    Re: CR or LF? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-04-13 19:54 +0100
    Re: CR or LF? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-22 11:18 -0700
  Re: CR or LF? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-04-14 05:24 +0200
    Re: CR or LF? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-04-18 08:44 +0100
      Re: CR or LF? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-04-18 12:08 +0200
        Re: CR or LF? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-04-18 12:02 +0100
          Re: CR or LF? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-04-18 21:50 +0200
  Re: CR or LF? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-04-18 03:40 +0000
    Re: CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-05-23 03:40 -0700
      Re: CR or LF? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-05-23 08:38 -0400
        Re: CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-05-23 08:02 -0700
          Re: CR or LF? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-05-23 11:07 -0400
            Re: CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-05-23 11:27 -0700
            Re: CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-05-23 12:27 -0700
              Re: CR or LF? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-05-23 18:21 -0400
          Re: CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-05-23 20:10 +0000
            Re: CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-05-24 08:32 -0700
              Re: CR or LF? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-05-24 16:25 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-05-24 18:29 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-05-25 02:00 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-05-25 16:28 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-26 14:06 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-05-26 15:14 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-05-25 10:55 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-05-25 15:04 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-05-24 21:32 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-05-25 15:44 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-05-25 16:32 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-05-26 00:39 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-31 00:21 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-05-30 21:59 -0400
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2020-05-31 09:30 +0100
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-05-31 15:48 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-05-31 13:49 -0700
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-06-01 16:28 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-06-01 18:48 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-06-01 16:27 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-06-02 19:12 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-06-02 20:28 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2020-06-03 09:13 +0100
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                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-06-03 18:25 +0000
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                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-06-04 19:51 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-04 16:26 -0700
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-06-05 18:46 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-05 12:26 -0700
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-05 13:28 -0700
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                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-06-04 17:41 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-04 16:26 -0700
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-04 17:04 -0700
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-06-04 15:18 +0000
                Re: memory sizes, mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-06-04 20:53 +0000
                Re: memory sizes, mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-06-04 22:22 +0000
                Re: memory sizes, mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-06-04 19:27 -0400
                Re: memory sizes, mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-06-05 16:10 +0000
                Re: memory sizes, mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-05 10:03 -0700
                Re: memory sizes, mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-06-05 20:29 +0000
                Re: memory sizes, mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-06-05 18:47 +0000
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-04 16:26 -0700
                Re: mainframe I/O, was CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-06-01 16:32 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-05-25 10:55 -0700
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                Re: CR or LF? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-05-26 12:56 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-05-26 14:15 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-05-25 21:41 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-05-28 11:50 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-05-28 11:56 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-05-30 14:49 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-05-30 17:39 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-05-30 19:07 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-05-30 19:32 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-05-30 13:10 -0700
                Re: CR or LF? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-05-30 20:43 +0000
                Re: CR or LF? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-05-30 15:50 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-05-30 16:30 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-05-30 19:42 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-05-30 22:17 -0400
                Re: CR or LF? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-05-31 09:45 +0100
            Re: CR or LF? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-05-25 18:37 +0000
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      Re: CR or LF? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-05-25 07:37 +0000
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