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| From | daphne@panix.com (Daphne Eftychia Arthur) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: What ASCII Should Have Been |
| Date | 2020-06-03 18:09 +0000 |
| Organization | The Space-Time Fabrication Institute, Baltimore, MD. |
| Message-ID | <rb8p1i$sjl$1@reader1.panix.com> (permalink) |
| References | <e48ac7a8-e8e5-4417-b524-b41911e0e97c@googlegroups.com> <k9u*KQyTx@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> <f24d70c9-4eb6-4f70-af38-c583aa749610@googlegroups.com> |
In article <f24d70c9-4eb6-4f70-af38-c583aa749610@googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>Instead, I'm advocating that the number of keys in one part of a keyboard - if
>the makers of the keyboard want to include a numeric keypad, lots of function
>keys, and so on, all well and good - the central typing area, should be kept
>down so as not to exceed the number of keys in the main typing area of a
>traditional typewriter.
>
>This is to do with ergonomics and the size of the human hand. It is, of course,
>primarily relevant to touch-typists.
I'm a touch-typist and think you're full of it. I'm also a guitarist,
mind you, and playing guitar or piano might make a bigger difference
than actual hand size[*], when it comes to what's a comfortable reach
... though OTGH, touch-typing for long enough ought to give one the
stretch one needs over time as well.
I've used keyboards that felt a little big, and keyboards that felt too
small to be comfortable to type properly on (fortunately I can do a one
handed version of touch typing on the small ones) and except for the
occasional really oddly placed ESC key, it's always been the _scale_ of
the keyboard, not its _layout_ that matter most to how it feels. Except
...
... Except when I was using Word Perfect 4.3 a lot, and therefore using
function keys a lot. Having the function keys off to the left meant I
could just flick my pinky out to hit the Bold key, the Underline key,
the Italic key, etc. When those moved to above the top row, I started
having to move my hands out of home position to reach them, and that
slowed me way, way down. Fortunately, my period of heavy word processor
use ended not too long after that, and vi/vim doesn't need me to hit the
function keys.
I'm not sure which control keys you think we can do without. On various
systems in various decades I think I've needed nearly all of them.
Also, DEL (aka Rubout), which a lot of modern keyboards seem to treat as
equivalent to backspace. Backing the paper tape up twice to punch a
combination of characters that together added up to DEL would have
worked, I guess, but being able to punch a row of 1s in one keystroke
made correcting a typo smoother. Backspace, OTOH, could well be a
character I wanted explicitly on the tape. (For that matter, for a
while I used a Unix password that had backspace in it.)
I don't know Emacs (Emacs hates me so I stay out of its way) but doesn't
that use a lot of control keys as well?
Anyhow, I've far more been slowed down and frustrated by not having keys
I needed and having to sort out the workarounds for them (ISTR that
trying to enter C code on a TRS-80 Model III was a problem) than from
having too many keys or -- barring ESC and function keys -- a difficult
reach. (Come to think of it, a couple of older terminals put backspace
in a weird place as well, but I just ignored it and hit ^H in those
cases.) Heck, the feel of the switches is a bigger deal than layout. I
mean, even on the clunky ASR-33, the key layout wasn't what slowed me
down -- the lack of typeahead or rollover, forcing me to pace my fingers
at the fastest it could accept at 110 Baud, was what made the TeleType
difficult!
It did take me a while to get used to having Control in the bottom row
instead of next to Caps Lock, I admit. But I did get used to it
eventually. I make time to grumble about it once every year or so, but
that's only because I'm ornery.
Now if I were to sit down and design The Perfect Keyboard For Me And
Only Me (i.e. a _custom_ keyboard, rather than a "better" keyboard), I
might get as picky as you. I'd certainly have the numeric keypad
duplicated on the left (farther left than the function keys) since I do
number-pad entry more quickly with my left hand, and for a couple
decades my wish list included having that be a hexadecimal one instead
of decimal, because -- guess what! -- I was typing hex into things a lot
then. Oh yeah, the Perfect Keyboard For Me And Only Me would have to
change depending on what I was doing a lot of during different periods.
All in all, a few of the layouts of mass-produced keyboards have sucked
pretty badly, but most have been adequate, decent, or better, for a wide
range of tasks. (Note that choice of switches / mechanical design has
sucked on a lot more keyboards than layout has.)
(I still think about how nice it would have been to have a hex-pad on
the TRS-80 when I learned Z80 machine language. I mean sure, I
eventually got an assembler for it, but I keyed in a lot of machine code
first.[**])
As for what was wrong with _ASCII_ as opposed to what is wrong with some
keyboards, most of that has been fixed (I'll leave others to debate
whether fixed poorly or well) by Unicode. I'm remembering typing
non-English titles and authors into the old OCLC terminals, typing (and
displaying) accents and diaresis and cedilla next to the characters they
affected, instead of the way they'd eventually get printed out for the
card catalog. I also remember looking over my mother's shoulder after
she discovered email, and struggling to parse Greek written entirely in
ASCII, when my cousins wrote to her. The biggest flaw in ASCII was that
'A' at the front of the acronym. (And I say this as someone who types
American English most of the time when I'm not typing in a programming
language or ABC code.)
[*] Seriously, the number of times people have said to me, "I wish I
could learn to play guitar but my hands are too small," then been
surprised when I put my hand up against theirs to show them our hands
are the same size ... it's getting used to the reach, not starting out
with large hands, that matters. And for folks who _do_ have small
hands, there are 3/4-scale and 1/2-scale guitars. Similarly for
keyboards: most laptop keyboards and some UCB/Bluetooth keyboards are
small enough that it's faster for me to type one-handed than properly,
and those would probably suit somebody with smaller hands.
[**] That was why, when I got sent out to update some Pascal code on a
client's CP/M box and discovered I needed a snippet of inline assembly
code but I didn't know the Intel mnemonics, only the Zilog ones, I was
able to just stuff in the machine code in hex and stick the Z80 assembly
in comments for whoever came after me, without looking anything up.
Fortunately, like a lot of CP/M machines, it did have a Z80 inside,
because what I put in there used a block-move, but the assemble()
statement in that Pascal compiler was for 8080 since CP/M was specced
for 8080.
--
Daphne Eftychia Arthur daphne@panix.com
Grandis vetus factio delenda est.
Everything is better with live music.
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Re: What ASCII Should Have Been John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-06-07 01:22 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Dallas <dallas@texas.usa> - 2020-06-06 22:22 -0500
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Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-07 07:58 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-06-07 15:37 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Gareth Evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-07 21:52 +0100
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-06 19:44 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Alfred Falk <aefalk@telus.net> - 2020-06-07 03:11 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-02 23:25 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-02 23:27 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2020-06-03 10:40 +0100
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2020-06-03 12:05 +0100
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-06-03 13:08 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2020-06-03 15:47 +0100
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-06-03 17:20 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-06-03 17:26 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-03 10:35 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-06-03 18:03 +0000
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Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-07 10:21 -0700
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Re: BATTERY RADIOS & STIRLING MOTORS => Alfred Morgan Gareth Evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-12 16:07 +0100
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Re: BATTERY RADIOS & STIRLING MOTORS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-12 07:49 -0700
Re: BATTERY RADIOS & STIRLING MOTORS robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-06-12 08:50 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-06-12 06:07 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-06-14 14:50 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@invalid.org> - 2020-06-14 15:01 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-06-14 11:36 -0400
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-06-14 18:03 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-06-18 18:48 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-09 07:26 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-06-09 12:02 -0400
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Dallas <dallas@texas.usa> - 2020-06-09 11:08 -0500
Subject line evolution Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-06-09 17:33 +0100
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-09 11:51 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-06-18 18:48 +0000
Re: fast emulators, not What ASCII Should Have Been John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-06-09 17:43 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-06-18 18:48 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-09 07:32 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-09 07:47 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-09 11:51 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-06-18 18:49 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-06-18 18:50 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-06-09 15:24 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-09 11:51 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been pechter@lakewoodmicro.com () - 2020-06-16 20:55 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-06-05 21:27 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Dallas <dallas@texas.usa> - 2020-06-05 16:54 -0500
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-06-05 22:44 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-06-05 23:18 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-06-03 16:37 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-06-04 05:23 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-06-03 16:35 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2020-06-04 11:31 +0100
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-04 07:05 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-04 07:06 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-06-04 15:23 +0000
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-04 09:38 -0700
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-06-04 17:31 +0100
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-06-09 10:25 +0100
Re: What ASCII Should Have Been Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-07-05 16:35 -0700
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