Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

From	Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?
Date	2016-07-07 13:30 +0200
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On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 12:44:40 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 11:32:42AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 10:35:47 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thursday 07 July 2016 07:33:57 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > > Let's make it (GRUB2) impenetrable boilerplate, then.
> > > 
> > > :-)  +1!
> 
> :-)
> 
> > It doesn't need to be penetrable, does it?
> 
> De gustibus non est disputandum.
> 
> To me, one of the attractions of the whole Free Software thing is its
> "penetrability". I see that there's a force field among many poles,
> functionality and "getting things done NOW" being two very valid ones
> which sometimes are at odds with simplicity. And I readily admit that
> preferences are extremely individual.
> 
> > The generated grub.cfg just needs to boot the machine. In any case,
> > it can easily be replaced by a more readable five or six line version
> > if desired.
> 
> Things get more complicated when you're in the position of "fixing"
> it :-)

Admittedly, a generated grub.cfg or most of the files in /etc/grub.d
are not something I would recommend for bedtime reading. 

> And please, again: the fact that I disagree with some Grub design
> decisions shouldn't detract from the fact that I have utmost
> respect for the Grub developers and packagers. Their hard work,
> their decisions.

Giovanni Gigante seems happy enough with LiLo and there appears to be
no definite indication that it would fail to boot an upgraded machine.
He could consider leaving it in place, reading the bug reports and
having a plan to install GRUB should something go wrong afterwards.

Thread

reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Giovanni Gigante <giov-debian@deepsky.it> - 2016-07-05 15:40 +0200
  Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2016-07-05 19:20 +0200
    Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 21:00 +0200
      Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2016-07-05 23:50 +0200
        Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-07-06 11:00 +0200
          Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2016-07-06 21:30 +0200
            Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-07-07 08:40 +0200
              Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 11:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 12:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-07-07 12:50 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 13:30 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Giovanni Gigante <giovanni.gigante@deepsky.it> - 2016-07-07 17:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-08 02:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-08 03:00 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-09 15:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-09 17:00 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-09 19:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-09 22:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2016-07-09 22:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-09 22:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-10 00:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-07-10 10:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-10 13:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-09 22:50 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-10 00:30 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-10 04:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2016-07-10 10:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-10 14:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-10 00:50 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2016-07-10 09:50 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-09 22:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-09 23:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-07-10 15:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-10 16:30 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> - 2016-07-10 08:40 +0200
                UEFI bootloaders (was: Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to  jessie?) Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> - 2016-07-10 23:20 +0200
                Re: UEFI bootloaders (was: Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?) "Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)" <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2016-07-11 01:20 +0200
              Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 20:30 +0200
  Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-07 20:50 +0200
    Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 21:00 +0200
      Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-07 21:20 +0200
        Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 21:40 +0200
        Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 23:20 +0200
          Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-08 05:40 +0200
            Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 20:20 +0200
              Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-08 21:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 22:00 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-09 00:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-09 01:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-09 05:30 +0200
              Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 21:30 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 22:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-09 00:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-09 00:30 +0200
      Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 21:40 +0200
        Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-07-08 00:50 +0200
          Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 02:00 +0200
          Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 02:00 +0200
          Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-08 02:10 +0200
            Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 03:10 +0200
              Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-07-08 04:20 +0200
              Re: enumerating with Grub* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-08 05:00 +0200
                Re: enumerating with Grub* David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 07:20 +0200
                Re: enumerating with Grub* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-08 07:50 +0200
                Re: enumerating with Grub* David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 16:50 +0200
    Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-08 06:10 +0200

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