Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

From	David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?
Date	2016-07-07 21:40 +0200
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On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 15:18:05 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote:
> On 07/07/16 02:55 PM, David Wright wrote:
> >On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote:
> >>The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to
> >>updated each time you changed something. That fell by the wayside
> >>with Grub 2. Now the big selling feature is that it works with more
> >>than just Linux.
> >I guess I don't know what you mean by "update".
> >If I change the contents of grub.cfg, the effect is immediate:
> >the changes will be seen at the next boot. I don't do anything more.
> However the second line of grub.cfg says "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE". If
> you do edit it, the changes will be overwritten the next time a
> debian upgrade automatically regenerates it. The only method for
> preserving your changes is to update the grub templates then run
> update-grub.

Well, if you want to use templates to build your grub.cfg,
then you have to build it with update-grub. That's hardly
surprising. If you roll your own, you don't.

The reason I wrote 'I don't know what you mean by "update"'
is because AIUI if you changed /etc/lilo.conf, you had/have to
remember to run /sbin/lilo to reinstall the loader again.
With grub, you don't. AFAICT that's the big selling feature
you mentioned above, was it not? If not, what was it, and what
has changed between grub 1 and 2?

Cheers,
David.

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reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Giovanni Gigante <giov-debian@deepsky.it> - 2016-07-05 15:40 +0200
  Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2016-07-05 19:20 +0200
    Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 21:00 +0200
      Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2016-07-05 23:50 +0200
        Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-07-06 11:00 +0200
          Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2016-07-06 21:30 +0200
            Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-07-07 08:40 +0200
              Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 11:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 12:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-07-07 12:50 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 13:30 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Giovanni Gigante <giovanni.gigante@deepsky.it> - 2016-07-07 17:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-08 02:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-08 03:00 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-09 15:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-09 17:00 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-09 19:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-09 22:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2016-07-09 22:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-09 22:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-10 00:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-07-10 10:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-10 13:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-09 22:50 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-10 00:30 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-10 04:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2016-07-10 10:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-10 14:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-10 00:50 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2016-07-10 09:50 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-09 22:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-09 23:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-07-10 15:40 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-10 16:30 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> - 2016-07-10 08:40 +0200
                UEFI bootloaders (was: Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to  jessie?) Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> - 2016-07-10 23:20 +0200
                Re: UEFI bootloaders (was: Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?) "Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)" <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2016-07-11 01:20 +0200
              Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 20:30 +0200
  Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-07 20:50 +0200
    Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 21:00 +0200
      Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-07 21:20 +0200
        Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 21:40 +0200
        Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 23:20 +0200
          Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-08 05:40 +0200
            Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 20:20 +0200
              Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-08 21:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 22:00 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-09 00:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-09 01:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-09 05:30 +0200
              Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 21:30 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 22:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-09 00:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-09 00:30 +0200
      Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 21:40 +0200
        Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-07-08 00:50 +0200
          Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 02:00 +0200
          Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 02:00 +0200
          Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-08 02:10 +0200
            Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 03:10 +0200
              Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-07-08 04:20 +0200
              Re: enumerating with Grub* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-08 05:00 +0200
                Re: enumerating with Grub* David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 07:20 +0200
                Re: enumerating with Grub* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-08 07:50 +0200
                Re: enumerating with Grub* David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 16:50 +0200
    Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-08 06:10 +0200

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