Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

From	David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?
Date	2016-07-09 00:10 +0200
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On Fri 08 Jul 2016 at 21:16:00 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> On Fri 08 Jul 2016 at 14:23:01 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 08 Jul 2016 at 19:19:00 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > > On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 23:34:11 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> > > > On 07/07/16 05:12 PM, Brian wrote:
> > > > >On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 15:18:05 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> > > > >>On 07/07/16 02:55 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > > > >>>On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote:
> > > > >>>>The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to
> > > > >>>>updated each time you changed something. That fell by the wayside
> > > > >>>>with Grub 2. Now the big selling feature is that it works with more
> > > > >>>>than just Linux.
> > > > >>>I guess I don't know what you mean by "update".
> > > > >>>If I change the contents of grub.cfg, the effect is immediate:
> > > > >>>the changes will be seen at the next boot. I don't do anything more.
> > > > >>However the second line of grub.cfg says "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE". If you do
> > > > >>edit it, the changes will be overwritten the next time a debian upgrade
> > > > >>automatically regenerates it. The only method for preserving your changes is
> > > > >>to update the grub templates then run update-grub.
> > > > >No it's not. dpkg-divert. That's sufficient to search the list archives
> > > > >for something which has been mentioned a few times but has passed you by.
> > > > 
> > > > A lot of trouble for something that can be avoided if you just edit the
> > > > correct files in the first place.
> > > 
> > > Let's see. You write your own grub.cfg or edit the existing one. You
> > > want to preserve your file from being changed so you use a *one line
> > > command* to ensure that. But this one line command is a lot of trouble.
> > > A one line command is onerous?
> > > 
> > > It is much easier to edit the unspecified "correct files" to stop any
> > > changes to grub.cfg at a Debian upgrade which attempts to regenerate
> > > it? One lives and learns.
> > 
> > I *think* I've worked out what this rant is all about: the replacement
> > of /boot/grub/menu.lst in old Grub by /boot/grub/grub.cfg in Grub2.
> 
> Was that a rant? If so, It has nothing whatsoever to do with GRUB
> legacy.

I was referring to the threads which started Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:39:51 -0400
as quoted above. In them, I have argued against the view that something
"fell by the wayside" in Grub2 wrt the legacy version. Sorry if you
thought that I was accusing yourself of ranting.

> If you want GRUB to do what you want you write your own grub,cfg.

I do; unconventionally, but it suits me.

> Stop moaning. Do it or file file a bug, Then stop moaning and do it.

I'm the person without a complaint about Grub2, not the one moaning.

Cheers,
David.

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  Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2016-07-05 19:20 +0200
    Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 21:00 +0200
      Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2016-07-05 23:50 +0200
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                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-07-09 19:20 +0200
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                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2016-07-09 22:10 +0200
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                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-10 13:20 +0200
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                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-10 16:30 +0200
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              Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 20:30 +0200
  Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-07 20:50 +0200
    Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 21:00 +0200
      Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-07 21:20 +0200
        Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 21:40 +0200
        Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-07 23:20 +0200
          Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-08 05:40 +0200
            Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 20:20 +0200
              Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-08 21:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 22:00 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-09 00:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-09 01:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2016-07-09 05:30 +0200
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                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 22:20 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-09 00:10 +0200
                Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-07-09 00:30 +0200
      Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 21:40 +0200
        Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-07-08 00:50 +0200
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            Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 03:10 +0200
              Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-07-08 04:20 +0200
              Re: enumerating with Grub* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-07-08 05:00 +0200
                Re: enumerating with Grub* David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-07-08 07:20 +0200
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