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Re: R Pi 0

From Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Subject Re: R Pi 0
Date 2015-12-15 16:44 +0100
Organization Me, Myself and I
Message-ID <r3p5kc-rc4.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> (permalink)
References <n36pn2$dps$1@dont-email.me> <n4mqlo$ht7$1@dont-email.me> <n4ohjp$gff$1@dont-email.me> <n4ojlh$54v$1@news.albasani.net>

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In article <n4ojlh$54v$1@news.albasani.net>,
The Natural Philosopher  <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 15/12/15 08:07, David Taylor wrote:
>> On 14/12/2015 16:30, rickman wrote:
>>> On 12/14/2015 3:11 AM, David Taylor wrote:
>> []
>>>> Quad core for the application alone, yes.  But what about all the other
>>>> tasks the OS is running, as Bob mentioned.  More memory often helps! And
>>>> if you are compiling your C program on the RPi the RPi2 is a /lot/
>>>> faster than the earlier models.
>>>
>>> In embedded applications most of those tasks don't run.  If you are
>>> short on horsepower, why run tasks that don't support the job at hand?
>>
>> It may be less overall effort just to use the OS "as-supplied" rather
>> than spending time customising the OS and having less time to spend
>> developing your own software for the task in hand.
>>
>> I know which I would prefer to do!
>>
>> Of course, if the small size or low cost of the R Pi 0 is required....
>
>I think there is a tendency to use something like Busybox to do most 
>embedded stuff.
>
>Plus whatever custom app you want.
>
>Mind you, looking at this machine there's well over 200 processes 
>running, most of which seem pretty arcane..various daemons most of which 
>probably wouldn't be required ion a single app platform.
>
>Ok a lot of them are kthreadd spawns, which probably take no extra 
>memory and so on.
>
>It would be intersting to bring the machine up (or take it down) to non 
>GUI mode and see what's left that isn't kthreadd stuff.
>
>
>I am guessing it wont actually be that much, especially if systemd was 
>ripped out ;-)

I have such a machine I am logged into right now. A rpi-B (not b+), 
with 88 kernel threads (the [] ones in top). plus 14 system and
8 of mine.

systemd-udevd, acpid, systemd, systemd-journald, xinetd, syslogd, 
klogd, init, haveged, systemd-logind, wpa-supplicant, dhcpcd, sshd
and udevd, plus 2x sshd+bash and 4 daemons for my apps.

systemd brings up 4, the wifi/net 3, general devices 3. All of these
are have very clear reasons for their usage.

-- mrr

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R Pi 0 "David B" <askforemail@gmail.com> - 2015-11-26 11:19 +0000
  Re: R Pi 0 Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance@OMiTTHiSyahooANDTHiS.co.uk> - 2015-11-26 11:56 +0000
    Re: R Pi 0 "M.O.B. i L." <mobil@orbin.se> - 2015-11-26 23:58 +0100
    Re: R Pi 0 James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-26 23:10 +0000
      Re: R Pi 0 Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-11-26 23:26 +0000
      Re: R Pi 0 "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2015-11-27 05:26 +0100
      Re: R Pi 0 Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-11-27 12:26 +0000
      Re: R Pi 0 "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-28 12:24 +0000
        Re: R Pi 0 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-28 14:00 +0000
          Re: R Pi 0 Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2015-11-29 08:45 +0000
            Re: R Pi 0 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-29 11:32 +0000
              Re: R Pi 0 Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2015-11-30 08:00 +0000
  Re: R Pi 0 andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2015-11-26 17:48 +0000
    Re: R Pi 0 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-26 13:33 -0500
      Re: R Pi 0 Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2015-12-13 14:56 -0500
        Re: R Pi 0 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 18:57 -0500
          Re: R Pi 0 David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-12-14 05:28 +0000
            Re: R Pi 0 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 01:09 -0500
              Re: R Pi 0 Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2015-12-14 08:08 +0000
                Re: R Pi 0 Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-12-14 18:57 +0000
                Re: R Pi 0 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-14 19:18 +0000
              Re: R Pi 0 David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-12-14 08:11 +0000
                Re: R Pi 0 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 11:30 -0500
                Re: R Pi 0 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-14 17:12 +0000
                Re: R Pi 0 David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-12-15 08:07 +0000
                Re: R Pi 0 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-15 08:40 +0000
                Re: R Pi 0 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-15 16:44 +0100
                Re: R Pi 0 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-15 20:13 +0000
                Re: R Pi 0 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-15 09:55 +0100
                Re: R Pi 0 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-15 12:12 +0000
                Re: R Pi 0 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-15 15:15 +0100
                Re: R Pi 0 cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2015-12-15 16:55 +0000
                Re: R Pi 0 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-16 04:55 +0100
                Re: R Pi 0 cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2015-12-17 21:00 +0000
                Re: R Pi 0 Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-15 23:11 +0000
                Re: R Pi 0 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-16 05:00 +0100
                Re: R Pi 0 "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2015-12-16 12:05 +0100
                Re: R Pi 0 Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-12-16 11:14 +0000
                Re: R Pi 0 "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2015-12-16 13:18 +0100
                Re: R Pi 0 Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-12-16 14:10 +0000
                Re: R Pi 0 Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2015-12-15 19:37 +0000
          Re: R Pi 0 Marco Bakera <pintman@bakera.de> - 2015-12-14 16:47 +0100
            Re: R Pi 0 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 11:32 -0500
    R Pi 0 removemefirst.mark.lewis@p73.f12.n3634.z1.fidonet.org (mark lewis) - 2015-11-27 00:38 +1200

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