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Re: Kernel version for stretch

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On Sun, 2016-02-14 at 15:48 -0500, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> [2016-02-14 15:58]:
> > >  * If we stick with 4.4, the Debian Linux maintainers receives
> > >    practically no advantage from Greg's LTS effort.
> > 
> > No, we would benefit from that but this is very early to freeze the
> > kernel and we would need to do a lot of work on backporting hardware
> > support.
> 
> Based on my gut feeling, backporting stuff into 4.4 would be more work
> than doing a long-term stable release based on 4.9.  Based on your
> experience, do you think that's accurate, Ben?

I think they're around the same amount of effort.

> (I think it would be different if we were to use 4.4 when 4.5 was the
> current kernel, but 4.4 to 4.10 is going to be a huge delta.)
> 
> So imho we should get 4.9 into unstable, agree at some point on 4.9 vs
> 4.10 and if we agree on 4.10 then get 4.10-rc releases into unstable,
> and ask people to test daily d-i images based on that.

Yes, that's a good way to reduce the risk of a late switch.

> (Of course I should mention that I'm not part of the kernel team.  But
> speaking as an ARM porter, I think going with 4.4 would be a disaster.
> We're going to see a lot of changes this year, especially on ARM64.)

I know.

> Another option would be to go with 4.4 and make it easy for d-i to
> support kernels from backports (something we should do anyway).  But I
> think releasing with a 1.5 year old kernel is just going to add to the
> "Debian is out of date" view.

There's that too.

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings
The most exhausting thing in life is being insincere. - Anne Morrow Lindberg

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Kernel version for stretch Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2016-01-27 19:30 +0100
  Re: Kernel version for stretch Moritz Mühlenhoff <jmm@inutil.org> - 2016-01-28 20:10 +0100
    Re: Kernel version for stretch Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2016-01-28 21:20 +0100
      Re: Kernel version for stretch Moritz Mühlenhoff <jmm@inutil.org> - 2016-01-30 15:40 +0100
        Re: Kernel version for stretch Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2016-02-07 02:00 +0100
    Re: Kernel version for stretch maximilian attems <maks@stro.at> - 2016-01-29 00:10 +0100
      Re: Kernel version for stretch Moritz Muehlenhoff <jmm@inutil.org> - 2016-01-30 15:40 +0100
        Re: Kernel version for stretch maximilian attems <maks@stro.at> - 2016-01-30 18:40 +0100
  Re: Kernel version for stretch Niels Thykier <niels@thykier.net> - 2016-02-02 08:50 +0100
    Re: Kernel version for stretch Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> - 2016-02-02 14:30 +0100
      Re: Kernel version for stretch Karsten Merker <merker@debian.org> - 2016-02-03 08:40 +0100
        Re: Kernel version for stretch Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2016-02-03 19:40 +0100
        Re: Kernel version for stretch Martin Michlmayr <tbm@cyrius.com> - 2016-02-04 04:40 +0100
    Re: Kernel version for stretch Karsten Merker <merker@debian.org> - 2016-02-03 08:30 +0100
    Re: Kernel version for stretch Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2016-02-04 10:20 +0100
      Re: Kernel version for stretch Antonio Terceiro <terceiro@debian.org> - 2016-02-04 17:50 +0100
        Re: Kernel version for stretch Michael Gilbert <mgilbert@debian.org> - 2016-02-05 01:20 +0100
      Re: Kernel version for stretch Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org> - 2016-02-05 10:30 +0100
    Re: Kernel version for stretch Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2016-02-05 04:10 +0100
      Re: Kernel version for stretch Niels Thykier <niels@thykier.net> - 2016-02-05 19:50 +0100
        Re: Kernel version for stretch Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2016-02-14 17:00 +0100
          Re: Kernel version for stretch Martin Michlmayr <tbm@cyrius.com> - 2016-02-14 21:50 +0100
            Re: Kernel version for stretch Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2016-02-15 13:20 +0100
    Re: Kernel version for stretch Mehdi Dogguy <mehdi@dogguy.org> - 2016-02-15 09:50 +0100
  [Decision] Kernel version for stretch Niels Thykier <niels@thykier.net> - 2016-02-24 22:50 +0100
    Re: [Decision] Kernel version for stretch Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2016-03-02 12:30 +0100

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