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| From | moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Adobe Flash |
| Date | 2015-11-22 04:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qxt2F-5Ri-11@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | (2 earlier) <qwfbt-6aN-29@gated-at.bofh.it> <qwfbt-6aN-33@gated-at.bofh.it> <qwgAy-7es-13@gated-at.bofh.it> <qwkut-1tE-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <qxqeu-403-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| Organization | Debian Project |
On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:50:07 -0600, Mario Castelán Castro
<marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> wrote:
> El 18/11/15 a las 17:39, Ric Moore escribió:
> > On 11/18/2015 02:24 PM, moxalt wrote:
> >
> >> I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as
> >> Linux, is
> >> in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus
> >> Linux.
> > Depends who's version of the definition of OS you use:
> > Here's a quote from "The design of the unix operating system", Maurice
> > J. Bach, Prentice/Hall, 1986, page 4:
> >
> > The operating system interacts directly with the hardware,
> > providing common services to programs and insulating them from hardware
> > idiosyncrasies. Viewing the system as a set of layers, the operating
> > system is commonly called the system kernel, or just the kernel,
> > emphasizing its isolation from user programs. Because programs are
> > independent of the underlying hardware, it is easy to move them between
> > UNIX systems running on different hardware if the programs do not make
> > assumptions about the underlying hardware."
> > http://linux.topology.org/lingl.html
> > "Personally, I am against re-defining the English language for political
> > and marketing purposes."
> >
> > There ya go. Ric
>
> There is a common false justification for calling the operating system
> "Linux" instead of "GNU/Linux". Anybody who really thinks that Linux is
> an operating system because operating system is synonymous with kernel
> must start talking about "The kernel of {FreeBSD, Windows, OS X,
> etcetera}" as the operating system as well for otherwise he'd be an
> hypocrite in applying his own argument inconsistently instead of
> acknowledging his own mistake in that in the modern meaning of
> "operating system", Linux is NOT an operating system. The modern word
> for that meaning of "operating system" is "kernel".
>
> By the way, according to Debian, GNU/Linux is an OS and Linux is a
> kernel. Look at the OS title ("Debian GNU/Linux") and package names.
The fact that the 'open source' crowd aren't willing to call Windows 'the
Windows NT kernel', FreeBSD 'the FreeBSD kernel' and Mac OS X 'the GNU
Mach kernel/FreeBSD kernel' demonstrates the utter ridiculousness of the whole
'operating systems and kernels are the same' position. It also demonstrates
just how ideologically motivated their reference to GNU/Linux as 'Linux' is-
they simply wish to downplay the FSF and the GNU project (without which Linux
would have been unusable as part of a free operating system, and without which
Linux wouldn't even be free (thanks to the GPL and RMS' persuasive influence))
and promote Linus Torvalds and his 'free software as a development model'
approach- open source.
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Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 16:10 +0100
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Re: Adobe Flash Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-11-20 01:40 +0100
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Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-20 09:30 +0100
Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:50 +0100
Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:00 +0100
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Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:40 +0100
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Re: The word 'should'. Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-21 15:00 +0100
Re: The word 'should'. moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:20 +0100
Re: The word 'should'. Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-21 18:40 +0100
Re: The word 'should'. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 23:50 +0100
Re: The word 'should'. Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-22 00:50 +0100
Re: The word 'should'. moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 04:10 +0100
Re: The word 'should'. Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 05:20 +0100
Re: The word 'should'. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:20 +0100
Re: The word 'should'. Ben Stones <ben@b3ns.com> - 2015-11-22 13:00 +0100
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Re: Adobe Flash Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 00:40 +0100
Which repositories are permitted and which are not Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 01:20 +0100
The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 04:50 +0100
Re: The word 'should' John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-22 05:00 +0100
Re: The word 'should' Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:20 +0100
Re: The word 'should' Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-11-22 17:50 +0100
Re: The word 'should' Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 18:00 +0100
Re: The word 'should' moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 20:00 +0100
Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 23:40 +0100
Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 23:40 +0100
Re: The word 'should' Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-23 00:00 +0100
Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-23 00:10 +0100
Re: The word 'should' Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-23 00:40 +0100
Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-23 00:40 +0100
Re: The word 'should' Ben Stones <ben@b3ns.com> - 2015-11-23 01:30 +0100
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Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 01:10 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-20 07:50 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-20 09:30 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:10 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 05:30 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:50 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Glenn English <ghe@srv.slsware.net> - 2015-11-21 08:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 09:40 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 10:20 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 14:40 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:10 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:30 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:40 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 10:20 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 15:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:20 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:10 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 19:10 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-22 02:40 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:10 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:50 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-11-21 19:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 13:40 +0100
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Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-20 15:00 +0100
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Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 12:30 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-11-21 13:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:30 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-11-21 14:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:30 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 19:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 04:10 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-11-22 14:10 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 14:50 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 00:40 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 01:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 04:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 16:10 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 19:50 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-23 00:10 +0100
"operating system" Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-23 02:50 +0100
pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2015-11-23 10:40 +0100
Re: pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-11-23 20:30 +0100
Re: pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-11-24 11:30 +0100
Re: pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-24 15:50 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-18 19:40 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Tom Ashley <tomashleyjr@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 22:10 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 00:30 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-19 01:00 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 01:30 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Tom Ashley <tomashleyjr@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 02:30 +0100
Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-19 02:30 +0100
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