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Re: Adobe Flash

From Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Adobe Flash
Date 2015-11-20 13:40 +0100
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On Friday 20 November 2015 06:43:49 moxalt wrote:
> >  Especially on this forum
> > on occasions where people are only using the Debian repositories.
>
> I don't understand this.

This is the Debian users mailing list.  It is in my opinion very inappropriate 
to chastise people on the Debian mailing list for using Debian.

> > It is admirable that you are prepared to make sacrifices for your
> > principles. Telling others that they "should" make sacrifices for your
> > principles is arrogant.  Persuade them by all means.  But if you are so
> > dead set against all use of non-free or not-quite-fully-free software,
> > use one of these: http://www.gnu.org/distros/
>
> I was a Trisquel user for a long time. I still recommend Trisquel to those
> new to the world of free software. Personally I prefer Debian. As long as
> non-free and contrib are not enabled, Debian is just as free as any of
> those distributions. However, as
> https://www.gnu.org/distros/optionally-free-not-enough.html points out,
> distributions which merely present a choice between freedom and subjugation
> are not good enough for people who are not committed free software users
> and who are not prepared to defend their freedom when the choice is
> offered.
>
> This is why the distributions listed at
> http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html should be recommended to the
> general public.

Please stop preaching.  Most of us will I am sure have read the original and 
made the decision to use Debian.  You talk of freedom, but wish to restrict 
ours to make our own decisions.

You are entitled to your views, but we are entitled to ours.  If you feel that 
the Debian developers made the wrong decision in deciding to include the 
contrib and non-free repositories in the distribution, take it up with the 
developers.  Meanwhile, you do your thing, along with those who agree with 
you, and we'll do ours. 

Which software one chooses to use is rarely a matter of morals.  Windows users 
may be misguided, and in my opinion are, but they are not moral reprobates.

I think guns are immoral.  Many people in the USA think they are a 
Constitutional Right and a Great Good.  That is a matter of morals.  Whether 
one uses flashplayer or not, is not a matter of morals.

Lisi

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Re: Adobe Flash Alex Vong <alexvong1995@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:50 +0100
  Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 16:10 +0100
    Re: Adobe Flash Siard <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> - 2015-11-18 16:40 +0100
      Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-18 19:50 +0100
        Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 20:40 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-19 00:50 +0100
            Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 01:30 +0100
      Re: Adobe Flash Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 14:10 +0100
    Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-18 19:00 +0100
      Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 19:00 +0100
        Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-18 20:30 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 20:40 +0100
            Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-19 18:00 +0100
              Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 01:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-11-20 01:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-20 08:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-20 09:30 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:50 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 10:30 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. (was: Adobe Flash) moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:40 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 14:50 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-21 15:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:20 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-21 18:40 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 23:50 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-22 00:50 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 04:10 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 05:20 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:20 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Ben Stones <ben@b3ns.com> - 2015-11-22 13:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-23 00:10 +0100
                Re: The word 'should'. moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-23 18:50 +0100
                Re: Mauro Condarelli <mc5686@mclink.it> - 2015-11-22 18:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-20 09:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 00:40 +0100
                Which repositories are permitted and which are not Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 01:20 +0100
                The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 04:50 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-22 05:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:20 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-11-22 17:50 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 18:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 20:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 23:40 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 23:40 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-23 00:00 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-23 00:10 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-23 00:40 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-23 00:40 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Ben Stones <ben@b3ns.com> - 2015-11-23 01:30 +0100
                Re: The word 'should' Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-11-22 21:30 +0100
              Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 01:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-20 07:50 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-20 09:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 05:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:50 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Glenn English <ghe@srv.slsware.net> - 2015-11-21 08:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 09:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 10:20 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 14:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-11-21 10:20 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-11-21 15:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:20 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 19:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-22 02:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 05:50 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-11-21 19:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 13:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-20 14:20 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-20 15:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-20 16:40 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-20 17:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 12:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-11-21 13:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 13:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-11-21 14:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:30 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-21 18:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 19:00 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 04:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-11-22 14:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 14:50 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 00:40 +0100
            Re: Adobe Flash Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-22 01:00 +0100
              Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 04:00 +0100
              Re: Adobe Flash Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 16:10 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-22 19:50 +0100
                Re: Adobe Flash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-23 00:10 +0100
                "operating system" Mario Castelán Castro  <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2015-11-23 02:50 +0100
                pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2015-11-23 10:40 +0100
                Re: pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-11-23 20:30 +0100
                Re: pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-11-24 11:30 +0100
                Re: pointless linguistic one-upmanship (was Re: "operating system") moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-11-24 15:50 +0100
    Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-18 19:40 +0100
      Re: Adobe Flash Tom Ashley <tomashleyjr@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 22:10 +0100
        Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 00:30 +0100
        Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-19 01:00 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 01:30 +0100
          Re: Adobe Flash Tom Ashley <tomashleyjr@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 02:30 +0100
            Re: Adobe Flash Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2015-11-19 02:30 +0100

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