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Re: What is the data structure of a NULL?

From James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: What is the data structure of a NULL?
Date 2020-01-01 12:21 -0500
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On 1/1/20 12:10 PM, Manfred wrote:
> On 1/1/2020 5:30 AM, James Kuyper wrote:
>> I'm curious: how does the description of these issues in your copy of
>> Stroustrup differ from those descriptions? With the preceding C standard
>> and the following C++ standards so carefully written to produce results
>> that are independent of how null pointers are represented, it would seem
>> very odd if that version of C++ was defined in a way which did depend
>> upon the representation.
> 
> FWIW, the current (fourth) edition says (§7.2.2):
> "Before nullptr was introduced, zero (0) was used as a notation for the 
> null pointer.
> ...
> No object is allocated with the address 0, and 0 (the all-zeros bit 
> pattern) is the most common representation of nullptr. Zero (0) is an 
> int. However, the standard conversions (§10.5.2.3) allow 0 to be used as 
> a constant of pointer or pointer-to-member type."

That's not the most important issue. What does it say about:
1. Unary ! as applied to pointer values.
2. Conversion of pointer values to bool.
3. How if-conditions are interpreted.

> AFAICT, other references to nullptr do not make assumptions on the 
> representation of the null pointer.
> 
> Note that §10.5.2.3 says that "A constant expression (...) that 
> evaluates to 0 can be implicitly converted to a null pointer of any 
> pointer type." and an example is given:
> 
> int* p = (1+2)*(2*(1-1)); // OK, but weird
> 
> "Prefer nullptr (§7.2.2)."
> 
> So, implicit conversion is not restricted to the integer literal 0 
> (although anything else than nullptr is in fact deprecated).

Yes, that's a fairly recent change in the C++ standard - it used to
allow any integer constant expression with a value of 0, just like C
(though the C++ standard's definition of integral constant expressions
was slightly different from C's definition of integer constant expressions).

Of course, (i-j), where i and j are variables that just happen to
currently be equal, has never qualified, under any version of either
standard.

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  Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-12-28 10:36 +1300
    Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-27 13:55 -0800
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            Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-28 18:39 -0800
  Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-28 02:14 -0800
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        Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-28 22:37 -0600
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              Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-29 20:20 -0500
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-29 21:50 -0600
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-29 22:46 -0800
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                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-30 17:22 -0600
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                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-30 06:03 -0800
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-30 17:01 -0600
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                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-01 17:01 +0100
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