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Re: What is the data structure of a NULL?

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: What is the data structure of a NULL?
Date 2019-12-30 10:25 +0100
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On 30/12/2019 07:46, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> writes:
>> James Kuyper wrote:
>>> Ned Latham wrote:
>>>> Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You indicated that it's useful to know how a null pointer is
>>>>> represented.  How is it useful?  Most of the time, the representation
>>>>> doesn't matter.
>>>>
>>>> Knowing it's useful in that it enables me to use it.
>>>
>>> Can you give an example of code involving a null pointer that you could
>>> not have used if you had not known how null pointers are represented? I
>>> write code that deals correctly with null pointers all the time, and to
>>> the best of my knowledge, not a single line of code I've ever written
>>> would need a re-write if ported to a system which uses a different
>>> representation for null pointers.
>>
>> http://www.users.on.net/~nedlatham/Software/mclib/Documents/sourcecode.html
>>
>> Check AVLC and ListC, also read
>> http://www.users.on.net/~nedlatham/Software/mclib/Documents/mclists.html
> 
> Can you give a *succinct* example?  I'm not going to spend the time it
> would take to read that.
> 

I had a quick look at the code - for the sake of your sanity, don't read
it.  I don't know what language Ned is trying to use, but it is not C++
as other people know it.  (Hint - it is full of macros like WHILE and IF
and the like, which are not defined anywhere.  And you know how C++ has
templates so that you can write container classes in a clear, type-safe
and efficient manner rather than the simple but riskier and less
efficient C-style use of void* pointers everywhere?  And it has RAII for
convenient resource handling?  New and delete rather than malloc and
free?  Ned doesn't.)

I didn't see any relevance of the the representation of null pointers in
the code.  But maybe I didn't look hard enough.  Certainly he has
managed to make enumeration constants held in a CHAR type, bitfield
structs to hold two 16-bit integers, and I gave up trying to comprehend
his "string" class.)

> Of course you *can* write code that depends on the representation of a
> null pointer, but there is rarely a good reason to do so.
> 
> [...]
>

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What is the data structure of a NULL? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-27 13:24 -0800
  Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-12-28 10:36 +1300
    Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-27 13:55 -0800
      Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2019-12-28 11:28 +0100
    Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-27 20:50 -0500
      Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-28 17:14 -0800
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    Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-27 13:55 -0800
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          Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2019-12-28 20:11 +0100
            Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-28 17:16 -0800
              Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2019-12-29 17:52 +0100
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-29 12:21 -0800
      Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-12-28 01:46 +0000
        Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-28 17:17 -0800
          Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-12-29 01:42 +0000
            Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-28 18:39 -0800
  Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-28 02:14 -0800
    Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-28 08:33 -0600
      Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-28 13:22 -0800
        Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-12-28 16:02 -0800
          Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-28 22:37 -0600
        Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-28 22:37 -0600
          Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-28 21:12 -0800
            Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-29 04:45 -0600
              Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-29 13:31 -0800
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-29 21:34 -0600
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-29 22:48 -0800
              Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-29 20:20 -0500
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-29 21:50 -0600
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-29 22:46 -0800
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-30 10:25 +0100
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-30 05:20 -0600
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-30 17:24 +0100
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-30 17:22 -0600
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-31 13:57 +0100
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-31 07:33 -0600
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-31 15:45 +0100
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-12-30 18:16 +0000
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-30 10:45 -0800
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-30 17:29 -0600
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-30 21:48 -0800
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-30 04:19 -0600
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-30 17:27 +0100
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-30 03:25 -0800
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-12-31 21:54 +0000
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-30 06:03 -0800
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-30 17:01 -0600
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-30 21:42 -0500
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-31 06:03 -0600
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-31 06:17 -0800
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-31 10:46 -0600
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                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-31 18:15 +0100
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-31 11:20 -0800
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-01 17:01 +0100
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2019-12-31 11:21 -0600
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-12-31 21:37 +0000
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-31 15:21 -0800
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                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-31 23:30 -0500
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-01-01 18:10 +0100
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-01-01 12:21 -0500
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-12-31 15:20 +0000
                Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-31 11:11 -0800
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