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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c++ |
| Subject | Re: What is the data structure of a NULL? |
| Date | 2019-12-30 17:24 +0100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <qud8c2$b3q$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 30/12/2019 12:20, Ned Latham wrote: > David Brown wrote: >> Keith Thompson wrote: >>> Ned Latham writes: >>>> James Kuyper wrote: >>>>> Ned Latham wrote: >>>>>> Keith Thompson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You indicated that it's useful to know how a null pointer is >>>>>>> represented. How is it useful? Most of the time, the representation >>>>>>> doesn't matter. >>>>>> >>>>>> Knowing it's useful in that it enables me to use it. >>>>> >>>>> Can you give an example of code involving a null pointer that you could >>>>> not have used if you had not known how null pointers are represented? I >>>>> write code that deals correctly with null pointers all the time, and to >>>>> the best of my knowledge, not a single line of code I've ever written >>>>> would need a re-write if ported to a system which uses a different >>>>> representation for null pointers. >>>> >>>> http://www.users.on.net/~nedlatham/Software/mclib/Documents/sourcecode.html >>>> >>>> Check AVLC and ListC, also read >>>> http://www.users.on.net/~nedlatham/Software/mclib/Documents/mclists.html >>> >>> Can you give a *succinct* example? I'm not going to spend the time it >>> would take to read that. >>> >> >> I had a quick look at the code - for the sake of your sanity, don't read >> it. > > Well, if you're not going to read any documentation, why bother indeed. You didn't link to documentation - you linked to the source code. The source code was, of course, the important part for the discussion. (I found the document pages too.) > >> I don't know what language Ned is trying to use, > > Using, David. mclib is a working C++ library. Has been for at least ten > years. > I only looked at the source code you linked - it is not complete, because it is written in a sort-of C, sort-of C++, sort-of something else mix using your own macros. >> but it is not C++ >> as other people know it. > > The documentation tells you that. And why. No, it does not. > >> (Hint - it is full of macros like WHILE and IF >> and the like, which are not defined anywhere. > > Don't be stupider than you have to be, David. They are not defined in the source code you linked. They are defined in the file "mcdef.h", which was not in the links (it is in the tarball that can be found by a little digging from your links). There are few thinks more irritating to programmers than some nitwit who thinks it helps to make one programming language look like another. Macros to try to make your C or C++ code like BASIC are /not/ a good idea, and never have been. > >> And you know how C++ has >> templates so that you can write container classes in a clear, type-safe >> and efficient manner rather than the simple but riskier and less >> efficient C-style use of void* pointers everywhere? > > The documentation would have told you that AVLC and ListC are designed to > be totally independent of type (past, present and future). Pointers can do > that; templates cannot. They're a code bloat idea, anyway. Had you linked to the documentation, it would have told me that. It says nothing about /why/ that might be a useful idea. (A reasonable answer would be "the code is from 1995, when C++ compilers had limited and inefficient support for templates".) > >> And it has RAII for >> convenient resource handling? New and delete rather than malloc and >> free? Ned doesn't.) > > Those are design decisions too, idiot. The C++ library throws exceptions. > Exceptions are evil, especially in low-level code. RAII is orthogonal to exceptions. You can use one feature without the other, though they work well together. I can appreciate that your code was written before non-throwing "new" was widely available. Some of your design decisions are reasonable enough for code from 1995 - but hardly examples of how to write C++ in this generation. > > And BTW, it's calloc(), not malloc(). Linux malloc() has a tendency to > return "optimistic" pointers, which for my purposes is an unreliable > behaviour. > Yes, you mentioned that in your documentation. It was one of many incorrect statements.
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