Re: Can a single photon create an interference pattern in a double-slit experiment?

From	Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
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Subject	Re: Can a single photon create an interference pattern in a double-slit experiment?
Date	2016-07-31 17:12 -0400
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:26:19 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:

>On 7/30/2016 5:05 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:23:09 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/26/2016 8:05 AM, ken quirici wrote:
>>>> I would have to surmise that the answer is Yes if the experiment in physical dimensions
>>>> sufficiently small. Which answer makes me more comfortable with the quantum-theoretic view of reality.
>>>>
>>>
>>> An interference pattern is, by definition, an accumulation of many
>>> photons. You cannot get an interference pattern from one photon any more
>>> than you can get a landscape painting from one dollop of green paint.
>>>
>>> However, what is true is that an interference pattern will be formed
>>> even if you fire photons one at a time through a double-slit apparatus,
>>> such that the fired photon lands before the next one is fired, and so
>>> you KNOW that no two fired photons are interfering with each other.
>>
>> So maybe the "interference pattern" shouldn't be so surprising.
>>
>> When many photons are fired at once, they don't all go through the
>> same slit.
>>
>> Why would they when they are fired one at a time?
>>
>> Why does the center of the radiation pattern become centered on a slit
>> in either case?
>
>It doesn't. That's the point. See Feynman's The Character of Physical Law.

I refer to the radiation patterns in this image:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ebohr1_IP.svg

There is a radiation pattern centered at the left side of the image.

When the waves encounter slits in the middle of the image, two
radiation patterns emerge: each centered on a slit.

The explanation for water waves is simple: the medium exists on both
sides of the two slits, and the energy re-radiates from where the two
sides are connected.

If there is no medium for the propagation of light, the reason for the
emergence of two new centers of radiation must have a different
explanation for photons in the double-slit experiment.

>If classical physics were in play, then you would expect to see two 
>maxima, each centered on a line passing through the source and one of 
>the slits.

Based on the radiation pattern in the image cited above, the brighter
spots might be expected to be at the locations on the target
perpendicular to the new centers of radiation.

> The maxima may be broadened by scattering, but the location 
>of the maxima would be set by that. That is in fact not what is see, 
>even when you're firing the photons one at a time.

Just pondering out loud: Every photon near the slit doesn't go through
the slit. Some are stopped on the solid parts of the wall where the
slits are not. If the photons that *do* go through the slit need to do
so along a certain portion of their wavelength, then all photons
through the slit are "in phase" even if fired one at a time.

What happens to a photon that hits the wall at the point in its
wavelength when the electric portion of the wave has an amplitude of
zero? Would it make a mark on the wall?

If all photons through a slit are in-phase and the distance
relationships are the same whether photons are fired one at a time or
in great numbers, the "interference pattern" may be the same for
reasons that are not so spooky.

>> If many photons encountering the slits develop new centers of
>> radiation, why wouldn't a single photon do the same?
>
>If this were the case, you would expect that at low rate, there would be 
>a single-slit diffraction pattern behind each slit, lined up so the 
>central maximum is colinear with slit and source, as described above. 
>This is not what is seen.
>
>>
>>
>>> Interestingly, this I believe is true regardless of the physical
>>> dimensions of the apparatus, with the caveat that the angle between any
>>> maximum in the interference pattern and the adjacent minimum is
>>> determined by the ratio of the wavelength and the separation distance
>>> between the slits. (So it's possible to have that ratio such that the
>>> angle mentioned is more than 90 degrees, in which case you wouldn't see
>>> the pattern anyway.)
>>

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