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Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software"

From boltar@nowhere.co.uk
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software"
Date 2019-12-10 15:26 +0000
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On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:55:31 +0100
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>On 10/12/2019 14:17, boltar@nowhere.co.uk wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 11:09:12 +0100
>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>>> On 09/12/2019 23:35, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> The true speedup was moving the graphics device into ring 0.  And the
>>>> cause of many crashes due to buggy video device drivers.
>>>>
>>>
>>> was a minor problem - there is relatively little benefit in having the
>>> kernel remain alive while the crashed gui restarts, compared to simply
>>> restarting the whole machine.
>> 
>> Clearly you're not familiar with the operational concept of a "Server" - ie
>you
>> don't kill the backend just because the ooo-shiny! at the front has gone
>down.
>> But then neither is or was Microsoft so you're made for each other.
>> 
>
>Windows NT was not initially targeted as a server OS, but as a
>workstation OS.  No one used Windows seriously for servers at the time -
>it was Unix or Netware.  By the time Windows NT was a common choice for
>a server, the integration of the graphics drivers in the kernel layer

MS were marketing it as a server from version 3.51 IIRC. Sure, no one took
it seriously, but if that is the best the team from DEC could do then clearly 
VMS was a good OS despite them working on it, not because of them. Presumably 
the main VMS core was written before they came along. And in that vein lets 
hope Linux can survive the mess that Poettering is currently trying to make of 
it.

>was a done deal.  And yes, it was a potential problem that a crashed gui
>meant a crashed server - but on servers you don't usually install high
>performance, high risk graphics drivers.

MS command line was such a useless waste of time (and still is really even with
Powershell) that there was little choice but to have some sort of graphics
driver to drive the GUI.

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"Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2019-12-02 13:59 -0600
  Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-02 12:33 -0800
    Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-02 21:17 +0000
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