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Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software"

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On 03/12/2019 12:05, already5chosen@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 12:40:55 PM UTC+2, David Brown
> wrote:
>> On 03/12/2019 10:40, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>>> In article <qs4qb5$1qt5$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Cholo Lennon
>>> <chololennon@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/3/19 12:51 AM, Pankaj Jangid wrote:
>>>>> Actually, it is considering implementing a new language
>>>>> inspired by Rust.
>>>> https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-were-creating-a-new-rust-based-programming-language-for-secure-coding/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
OMG! I didn't know that, another programming language and what's worse,
>>>> created/sponsored by Microsoft :-O
>>>> 
>>>> I've already seen this several times... a company needs to have
>>>> the control of the tool
>>>> (Microsoft/VisualBasic/VisualJ/C#/TypeScript/F#, Sun/Java,
>>>> Google/Go/Dart, JetBrains/Kotlin, etc)
>>> 
>>> Not Invented Here Syndrome.
>>> 
>> 
>> Not /Controlled/ Here Syndrome.
>> 
>> MS were quite happy to support Java as long as they could make
>> their own incompatible version.  When the courts said they were not
>> allowed to do that (and still call it "Java"), they went off in a
>> huff and made C# as their own alternative to Java which /they/
>> controlled.
>> 
> 
> 
> At least formally Microsoft does not control C# to the same degree
> Oracle controls Java.
> 
>> (I don't think MS are as bad at this as they used to be, and I am
>> not implying that other companies are necessarily better.)
> 
> I think, they are *much* worse now than they used to be. Lazier.

Lazier may mean less actively being bad.  You can't boil an entire
company down into "good/bad" or "better/worse".  I certainly didn't
suggest anything like that.  All I noted is that MS is less controlling
about languages than it used to be - at least some of C# is controlled
by standards groups outside of MS, and they are much better at working
with the standard groups for C++ (and even C) than they were.

> Doing less of original tech, good or bad. Besides, Microsoft always
> *wanted* to be Apple, but at least recognized their own historical
> areas of strength. But today? Today are *obsessed* at becoming
> another Apple. Their new friendliness to OSS that you appear to
> admire, most likely due to ideology rather than practical reasons, is
> just a sign of company losing character.
> 

I did not make the slightest suggestion that I admire their new
friendliness to OSS.  You seem to have a point you want to make, and
have invented an argument so that you can make it.

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"Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2019-12-02 13:59 -0600
  Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" Pankaj Jangid <p4j@j4d.net> - 2019-12-03 09:21 +0530
    Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2019-12-03 02:03 -0300
      Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-12-03 09:40 +0000
        Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-03 11:40 +0100
          Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-12-03 03:05 -0800
            Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-03 16:29 +0100
          NIHS (Was: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software") gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-12-03 11:33 +0000
            Re: NIHS (Was: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software") David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-03 16:24 +0100
              Re: NIHS (Was: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software") Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2019-12-03 17:13 +0100
            Re: NIHS (Was: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software") Stuart Redmann <DerTopper@web.de> - 2019-12-04 14:32 +0100
              Re: NIHS (Was: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-04 16:53 +0000
                Re: NIHS (Was: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2019-12-04 09:57 -0800
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            Re: NIHS (Was: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software") legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2019-12-08 04:21 +0000
              Re: NIHS (Was: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software") chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-12-09 06:10 -0800
      Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-12-03 04:14 -0800
      Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-12-03 17:05 -0800
  Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-12-05 02:56 -0800
    Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" "A. K." <minforth@arcor.de> - 2019-12-05 11:29 -0800
    Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-12-05 12:29 -0800
  Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-12-06 22:11 -0800
    Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-07 07:28 +0100
      Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-01-11 09:37 -0800
  Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" "A. K." <minforth@arcor.de> - 2019-12-08 23:22 -0800

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