Re: Bit field usage

From	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Bit field usage
Date	2019-11-08 08:18 +0100
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On 07/11/2019 21:36, Christopher Collins wrote:
> On 2019-10-27, David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>> I don't believe there is any such trend towards removing or relaxing
>> alignment restrictions.  I can't claim to have followed cpu details
>> closely enough to be confident in that belief, but I certainly don't see
>> any benefit in having that trend.  There are rarely any advantages in
>> having non-aligned data, and you usually have to go out of your way to
>> create it in the first place (often invoking undefined behaviour) -
>> while there are good hardware efficiency reasons for wanting alignment.
> 
> I disagree with the claim that there is rarely any advantage in having
> unaligned data.  Combined with packed structs, support for unaligned
> access can result in a considerable code size reduction.  I included a
> simple demonstration in an earlier post:
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c++/a5xVfaw1y08/IdcvfGNbFQAJ>.
> 

I don't remember the details of that thread, but it looks like you are 
trying to find an efficient way to copy a packed struct into a byte 
buffer.  The quotation from my own post was:

 > Write your code properly and safely (using shifts and masks, memcpy, or
 > compiler-specific features or intrinsics) and let the compiler turn it
 > into unaligned accesses.  Writing safe, correct, and valid source code
 > is the programmer's responsibility.  Turning it into small and fast
 > object code is the compiler's responsibility.  Don't try to do the
 > compiler's job - work with it so that it can to the best job it can.

I stand by that advice.  By using the compiler-specific "packed" struct 
feature (most compilers have an equivalent, but the details are specific 
to the compiler) it is then safe to use a "memcpy" for a short marshal 
function.  And if you also use the "align" attribute (or C11 _Alignas), 
the compiler can do the copying using aligned 32 bit accesses rather 
than unaligned accesses, for greater speed.

Unaligned accesses are not a benefit here - aligned would have worked 
better.

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Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-24 08:03 +0200
  Re: Bit field usage Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-24 10:15 -0600
    Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-24 18:55 +0200
      Re: Bit field usage Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-24 21:28 -0600
    Re: Bit field usage scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-24 17:22 +0000
      Re: Bit field usage Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-24 19:45 +0200
        Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-24 19:59 +0200
          Re: Bit field usage Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-24 20:02 +0200
            Re: Bit field usage Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-24 21:29 -0600
              Re: Bit field usage Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-25 07:51 +0200
                Re: Bit field usage scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-25 15:05 +0000
        Re: Bit field usage Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-24 19:13 +0100
          Re: Bit field usage Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-24 20:54 +0200
            Re: Bit field usage Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-24 20:12 +0100
              Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-24 23:03 +0200
                Re: Bit field usage Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-24 22:50 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-25 09:18 +0200
                Re: Bit field usage Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2019-10-25 15:46 +0800
                Re: Bit field usage Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-26 12:36 -0500
                Re: Bit field usage scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-25 15:04 +0000
                Re: Bit field usage Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-26 12:40 -0500
                Re: Bit field usage Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2019-10-26 21:12 +0200
              Re: Bit field usage Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-25 09:25 -0600
                Re: Bit field usage Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-26 12:52 -0500
      Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-24 19:56 +0200
        Re: Bit field usage already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-24 12:03 -0700
          Re: Bit field usage scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-24 19:40 +0000
            Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-24 22:15 +0200
            Re: Bit field usage already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-24 14:16 -0700
    Re: Bit field usage Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-24 17:50 -0700
      Re: Bit field usage Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-25 09:36 -0600
        Re: Bit field usage Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-27 04:54 -0700
          Re: Bit field usage Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-27 10:05 -0600
  Re: Bit field usage Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2019-10-26 20:15 +0200
    Re: Bit field usage Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2019-10-26 20:16 +0200
      Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-26 20:37 +0200
        Re: Bit field usage Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-26 13:41 -0500
          Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-26 21:54 +0200
            Re: Bit field usage already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-27 03:46 -0700
              Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-27 12:50 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-27 06:37 -0700
              Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-27 13:00 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-27 07:19 -0700
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-27 22:30 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage Christopher Collins <ccollins476ad@gmail.com> - 2019-11-07 12:36 -0800
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-08 08:18 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage Christopher Collins <ccollins476ad@gmail.com> - 2019-11-08 10:19 -0800
                Re: Bit field usage Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-11-08 21:47 +0000
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-10 14:08 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage Christopher Collins <ccollins476ad@gmail.com> - 2019-11-11 09:26 -0800
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-11 20:31 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage Christopher Collins <ccollins476ad@gmail.com> - 2019-11-11 23:01 -0800
                Re: Bit field usage Christopher Collins <ccollins476ad@gmail.com> - 2019-11-11 23:25 -0800
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-12 10:54 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-11-12 14:43 +0000
                Re: Bit field usage James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-11-12 10:54 -0500
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-12 19:37 +0100
              Re: Bit field usage Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-27 08:36 -0500
                Re: Bit field usage already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-27 06:49 -0700
            Re: Bit field usage Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-27 14:23 +0100
            Re: Bit field usage Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-27 08:42 -0500
        Re: Bit field usage Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2019-10-26 21:06 +0200
        Re: Bit field usage Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-26 20:41 +0100
          Re: Bit field usage Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2019-10-27 08:29 +0100
            Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-27 13:05 +0100

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