Re: Bit field usage

From	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Bit field usage
Date	2019-10-27 13:00 +0100
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 27/10/2019 11:46, already5chosen@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Saturday, October 26, 2019 at 10:54:34 PM UTC+3, jacobnavia
> wrote:
>> Le 26/10/2019 à 20:41, Robert Wessel a écrit :
>>> That is not true of all 64-bit implementations, of course.
>>> Consider MSVC invoked with /Zp1.  Of course it's true of many
>>> implementations.
>> 
>> Yes, packing fields would be possible in processors like the x86.
>> It is not possible in RISC processors where alignment is much
>> stricter.
> 
> There are only 2 high-performance RISCs that are still relevant for
> new development: ARM/ARM64 and POWER. ARM has no alignment
> requirements on the integer side of the ISA. The same for Power in
> Big Endian mode. As far as I remember, Power operating in Little
> Endian mode used to have alignment requirements, but it seems that
> since Power8 they have "pure little-endian" mode that removes these
> limitations.
> 

There are many, many other RISC ISA's that are in heavy use - the world 
does /not/ revolve around the fastest cores.  And for lots of ISA's, 
alignment is strict.

Even for ISA's that sometimes allow unaligned access, it can often 
depend on the implementation.  Some ARM core implementations support 
unaligned access, others do not, others support it only for certain 
instructions.  The same applies to PPC (I don't know the details of 
Power).  Almost all ISA's (including x86) fail on unaligned access for 
certain kinds of accesses - typically atomic or lock instructions, 
vector instructions, load/store multiple instructions, etc.  And for 
many devices, unaligned access can be very much slower than aligned access.

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Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-24 08:03 +0200
  Re: Bit field usage Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-24 10:15 -0600
    Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-24 18:55 +0200
      Re: Bit field usage Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-24 21:28 -0600
    Re: Bit field usage scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-24 17:22 +0000
      Re: Bit field usage Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-24 19:45 +0200
        Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-24 19:59 +0200
          Re: Bit field usage Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-24 20:02 +0200
            Re: Bit field usage Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-24 21:29 -0600
              Re: Bit field usage Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-25 07:51 +0200
                Re: Bit field usage scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-25 15:05 +0000
        Re: Bit field usage Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-24 19:13 +0100
          Re: Bit field usage Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-24 20:54 +0200
            Re: Bit field usage Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-24 20:12 +0100
              Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-24 23:03 +0200
                Re: Bit field usage Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-24 22:50 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-25 09:18 +0200
                Re: Bit field usage Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2019-10-25 15:46 +0800
                Re: Bit field usage Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-26 12:36 -0500
                Re: Bit field usage scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-25 15:04 +0000
                Re: Bit field usage Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-26 12:40 -0500
                Re: Bit field usage Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2019-10-26 21:12 +0200
              Re: Bit field usage Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-25 09:25 -0600
                Re: Bit field usage Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-26 12:52 -0500
      Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-24 19:56 +0200
        Re: Bit field usage already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-24 12:03 -0700
          Re: Bit field usage scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-24 19:40 +0000
            Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-24 22:15 +0200
            Re: Bit field usage already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-24 14:16 -0700
    Re: Bit field usage Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-24 17:50 -0700
      Re: Bit field usage Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-25 09:36 -0600
        Re: Bit field usage Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-27 04:54 -0700
          Re: Bit field usage Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-10-27 10:05 -0600
  Re: Bit field usage Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2019-10-26 20:15 +0200
    Re: Bit field usage Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2019-10-26 20:16 +0200
      Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-26 20:37 +0200
        Re: Bit field usage Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-26 13:41 -0500
          Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-26 21:54 +0200
            Re: Bit field usage already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-27 03:46 -0700
              Re: Bit field usage jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-27 12:50 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-27 06:37 -0700
              Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-27 13:00 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-27 07:19 -0700
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-27 22:30 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage Christopher Collins <ccollins476ad@gmail.com> - 2019-11-07 12:36 -0800
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-08 08:18 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage Christopher Collins <ccollins476ad@gmail.com> - 2019-11-08 10:19 -0800
                Re: Bit field usage Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-11-08 21:47 +0000
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-10 14:08 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage Christopher Collins <ccollins476ad@gmail.com> - 2019-11-11 09:26 -0800
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-11 20:31 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage Christopher Collins <ccollins476ad@gmail.com> - 2019-11-11 23:01 -0800
                Re: Bit field usage Christopher Collins <ccollins476ad@gmail.com> - 2019-11-11 23:25 -0800
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-12 10:54 +0100
                Re: Bit field usage Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-11-12 14:43 +0000
                Re: Bit field usage James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-11-12 10:54 -0500
                Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-12 19:37 +0100
              Re: Bit field usage Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-27 08:36 -0500
                Re: Bit field usage already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-27 06:49 -0700
            Re: Bit field usage Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-27 14:23 +0100
            Re: Bit field usage Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-27 08:42 -0500
        Re: Bit field usage Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2019-10-26 21:06 +0200
        Re: Bit field usage Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-26 20:41 +0100
          Re: Bit field usage Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2019-10-27 08:29 +0100
            Re: Bit field usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-27 13:05 +0100

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