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Re: One works, the other doesn't?

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: One works, the other doesn't?
Date 2019-11-07 00:58 +0100
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 06/11/2019 23:37, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Wednesday, 6 November 2019 22:00:07 UTC, David Brown  wrote:
>>
>> "Debug" builds don't come into it.  In fact, if you start having
>> different options sets for "debug" and "release" builds, you are likely
>> to risk failing to properly test your main builds.  Sometimes it can be
>> useful to temporarily add debug flags (such as sanitizers) while
>> tracking down particular problems, or to limit optimisation in a part of
>> the code so you can single-step in a debugger, but for the most part I
>> dislike having this kind of debug/release distinction at all.
>>
> On platforms such as the Mac and Windows, the compiler provides a
> "debug" and "release" configuration. You can toggle the two, it's a
> prominent feature of the IDE, not some obscure option hidden away
> somewhere.

Really?  "The compiler" ?

Perhaps what you are trying to say is that the IDE's (/not/ compilers) 
MSVS on Windows and XCode on Mac make two configurations by default when 
you create a new project.  Would that be more accurate?

If you know what you are doing, you can remove the unwanted 
configuration, make new ones to suit your needs, change the details of 
the configurations, etc.  You are not stuck with "release = optimise and 
no debug symbols", "debug = debug symbols and no optimise" default.

> 
> Now it is of course open to you to argue that this is a bad idea,
> and that you should always develop in "release" mode, except maybe
> for the initial code construction. But you're working in a different
> way that almost everyone else works, and not in the way recommended
> by Apple and Microsoft.
> 

What makes you think they recommend it?  It's just a commonly used 
default that people are familiar with as a starting point, not something 
that is necessarily recommended.

And I work in a different way from Apple and Microsoft.  Amongst other 
things, I don't consider my users to be beta testers and bug-hunters.

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One works, the other doesn't? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-11-03 17:39 -0500
  Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-04 00:20 +0000
  Re: One works, the other doesn't? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-11-04 06:53 +0000
  Re: One works, the other doesn't? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-11-04 09:45 -0500
    Re: One works, the other doesn't? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-11-05 10:34 -0500
      Re: One works, the other doesn't? mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2019-11-05 07:45 -0800
        Re: One works, the other doesn't? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-11-05 10:53 -0500
          Re: One works, the other doesn't? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-11-05 08:04 -0800
            Re: One works, the other doesn't? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-11-05 11:29 -0500
              Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-05 23:24 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-05 23:06 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-06 12:31 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-05 23:43 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-06 12:54 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-06 01:35 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-06 15:16 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-06 11:11 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-11-06 01:59 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-06 11:35 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-11-06 08:57 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-07 07:24 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-06 22:59 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-11-06 14:37 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-07 00:58 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-11-07 02:08 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-07 15:43 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-11-07 16:15 -0600
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-11-10 20:01 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-11 15:26 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-11 12:37 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-07 07:21 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-11-06 10:39 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-07 07:47 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-07 08:14 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-11-06 12:30 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-11-08 21:04 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-11-09 01:37 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-11-09 01:38 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-10 08:32 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-11-28 16:09 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-29 11:33 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-11-30 14:20 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-12-01 12:15 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-06 10:07 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-06 10:58 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-07 10:05 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-06 09:52 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-11-06 00:56 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-11-06 01:00 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-06 11:32 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-06 23:11 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-06 23:22 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-07 01:04 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-07 01:13 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-07 10:22 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-07 11:51 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-07 15:58 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-07 16:34 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-11-07 12:40 -0500
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-07 17:57 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-11-07 21:14 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-08 09:45 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-11-08 09:56 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-08 19:47 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-09 09:14 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-11-08 19:10 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-09 12:24 +0000
                Like an old married couple... (Was: One works, the other doesn't?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-11-08 20:25 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-07 19:58 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-07 19:31 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-08 08:56 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-07 20:06 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-08 09:21 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-07 21:20 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-08 10:28 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-11-07 22:35 +0000
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-09 09:22 +1300
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? jadill33@gmail.com - 2019-11-07 08:37 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-11-07 08:52 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? jadill33@gmail.com - 2019-11-07 09:52 -0800
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-07 20:04 +0100
                Re: One works, the other doesn't? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-11-08 19:50 -0800
            Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-11-05 18:05 +0100
              Re: One works, the other doesn't? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-11-05 09:28 -0800
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                Re: One works, the other doesn't? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-05 23:21 +0100
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          Re: One works, the other doesn't? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-11-06 09:33 -0500
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        Re: One works, the other doesn't? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-11-07 18:41 -0500
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      Re: One works, the other doesn't? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-11-05 11:47 -0500
        Re: One works, the other doesn't? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-11-05 17:54 +0100
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          Re: One works, the other doesn't? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-11-09 02:09 -0500

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