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Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman

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On 9/30/2019 1:10 PM, Philipp Klaus Krause wrote:
> Am 28.09.19 um 15:01 schrieb Rick C. Hodgin:
>> On 9/28/2019 8:53 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> ...The right of Freedom of Speech says that the Government is
>>> restricted in its manner of imposing restrictions on speech. It does not
>>> say that one is immune to natural consequences arising through the
>>> interactions of private individuals. Organizations are collections of
>>> individuals, and those individuals still have their rights of action.
>>
>> This is a most important distinction people don't realize because
>> they're not taught it in school any more.  It's one of THE MOST
>> fundamental principles of the U.S., and it is that it's inherent
>> in our laws that we are to be free from government tyranny, but
>> that does not mean we are free from social ramifications.
> 
> An amendment to the constitution of some North American country states
> "Congress shall make no law […] abridging the freedom of speech".
> 
> That doesn't imply that the term "freedom of speech" has no meaning
> beside restricting what government can do.
> 
> E.g., the actions of many firms which have achieved market dominance
> could be similarly restrictive to freedom of speech as actions of the
> government can.

That's a separate issue that has yet to be addressed by our U.S.
government, short of discrimination for various qualities / traits.

>> The choices we make mean something.  And we must live with the
>> consequences of our actions (not just here btw, but also in
>> eternity).
>>
>>> I met RMS once in person when he talked at a meeting of an open source
>>> project, and after that I was so turned off by some of his ideas that he
>>> proclaimed that I decided that if he was a spokesman for the 'GNU' idea,
>>> that I would avoid, when possible, the use of GNU licenses, on a
>>> fundamental ideological basis.
>>
>> The GNU license 2.0, Copyleft, the ability to use the legal sys-
>> tem to effectively enforce free software, and other Stallman's
>> contributions to our world have been brilliant, timely, needed.
>> But he is so full of this other whole separate set of quirks
>> and character traits that it basically nullifies any of his
>> positive contributions.
> 
> How could they nullify his contributions? Without the GPL and free
> software, the world would be quite different today (and the struggle for
> software freedom is ongoing).

There was an episode of Star Trek: Voyager which dealt with this to
some degree.  A Cardassian hologram program was called up to help
The Doctor find a treatment to remove an organism from B'Elanna.
The hologram program's research proved invaluable, but the hologram
was a representation of a real person who did real medical studies
on people that were horrible.  Ultimately the cure was used the one
time to save B'Elanna, but in the end the hologram was deleted so
that research could never be used again.

You have to look at the body of work from an individual.  Even if
a man in prison were to solve the deepest mysteries of theoretical
physics, you wouldn't want to just accept his work and use it be-
cause it comes from a negative source.

With Stallman, he proposes such unethical and immoral things that
I will discount everything he does with regards to my seeking to
contribute to his GNU Project's work.

> I am not aware of that "whole separate set of quirks and character
> traits" having any noticeable impact on the world. The vast majority of
> those that know about of care about free software probably have never
> heard of Stallman's ideas on other topics.

Correct.  Most people don't even care to know.  I didn't care to
know.  I was looking to use my spare time to contribute to this
world positively.  I wanted to go to the GNU HURD kernel, which
was functional but still buggy, and finish developing it, work
out all the bugs.  I was actually very excited about the prospect
as it would've been a competing kernel to Linux.  I had plans to
scrape Linux open source drivers and create tools which would
help other developers write GNU HURD drivers for it, etc.

I began doing research about GNU, its history, about the projects
for the various flavors of the kernel over the years, and some-
where in there in my research, in April 2012, I found out about
Stallman's views on pedophilia and necrophilia.  I wasn't content
to believe what I had read online so I emailed him and asked him
about it.  Over several email he affirmed and defended his posi-
tion, and also told me not to work on the GNU HURD kernel because
we (the free software world) already had a good kernel in Linux,
and that I should work on writing Adobe Acrobat-compatible code
to the free world, or some other useful project like that.

It took me from that time in April thru to early July to sort out
what I wanted to do with my time, and that's when I began a God-
fearing alternative to the Free Software Foundation and GNU Project
with what was the Liberty Software Foundation and later became the
Village Freedom Project.

I devoted the entirety of my life to that task at that time, and
have developed several applications relating to it.  I have plans
to construct my own kernel, which will be an OS/2 off-shoot, and
all that goes with it.

In any event, what a person does in their life matters.  You do
have to look at the whole man, including repentance, including
new directions, etc.  We are the sum total of our existence, but
our current attitude and where we're going really does matter.

That's not to say you discount anyone.  I would help Richard
(personally, not his project) if he asked me, for example.  And
if he asked me for programming advice for his project I would
probably help him as well.  But until he changes his personal
views and goals for things in this life, I will not be devoting
my time to his creation.

One-on-one personal interactions, you always help people.  But
with regards to movements, political ideas, business interests
which are against God's guidance, you shun them.  You advise
against them, etc.

It's a proper view to have, to focus your attention up to God
and His guidance first, and then to move forward.

Jesus, for example, help individuals, warning them to go and sin
no more.  But He wouldn't participate in their sinful activities.
It is the same for all people in this world, for we are all per-
sonally called to Him, and to be as He taught us.  But we like-
wise are not to participate in the sinful things in this world,
those things that are against God and His teachings.

-- 
Rick C. Hodgin

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OT: Richard Mathew Stallman jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-09-27 16:14 +0200
  Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-09-27 07:45 -0700
    Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-09-27 09:22 -0700
      Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-09-27 09:48 -0700
      Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-09-28 08:53 -0400
        Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-09-28 09:01 -0400
          Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2019-09-30 19:10 +0200
            Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 13:54 -0400
              Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-10-01 16:24 +1300
                Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-10-01 00:34 -0700
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        Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-09-28 12:37 -0700
          Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-09-28 22:06 +0200
            Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2019-10-05 18:49 +0200
              Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-10-05 18:00 +0000
                Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-10-05 13:38 -0700
                Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-06 11:37 +0200
                Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 12:42 -0700
                Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-07 02:19 -0700
                Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-10-08 20:14 +0200
                Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 21:30 -0700
                Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 22:18 -0700
                Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2019-10-05 23:32 +0200
                Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-06 06:04 -0700
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    Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-09-27 16:31 +0000
      Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-09-27 09:50 -0700
    Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-09-28 01:41 -0700
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        Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-09-29 07:03 -0700
      Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 23:42 -0700
        Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-10-01 23:43 -0700
        Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-10-02 02:13 -0700
  Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-09-27 14:58 +0000
  Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-09-27 16:30 +0000
    Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-27 19:44 +0200
    Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-09-30 12:28 -0700
      Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-09-30 20:09 +0000
  Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-27 10:32 -0700
    Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-09-27 17:51 +0000
    Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-27 21:06 +0200
    Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-09-28 07:45 +0200
  Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-09-29 19:23 +0300
    Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-09-29 13:15 -0400
      Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-03 18:48 +0300
        Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-10-03 09:06 -0700
          Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-03 16:20 +0000
        Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-03 16:19 +0000
          Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-10-03 09:24 -0700
  Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman: an exchange of emails jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-09-30 22:56 +0200
    Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman: an exchange of emails Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-09-30 21:12 +0000
      Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman: an exchange of emails jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-09-30 23:41 +0200
        Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman: an exchange of emails David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-01 10:49 +0200
      Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman: an exchange of emails jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-09-30 23:58 +0200
        Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman: an exchange of emails Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-10-01 04:17 +0000
          Re: OT: Richard Mathew Stallman: an exchange of emails Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-10-04 12:52 +0000
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